The NetLetter #1164

The NetLetter
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May 14, 2011 - Issue 1164
First Issue published in October 1995!
(over 5,400 subscribers)
In This Issue
CAHS Upcoming Events
ACRA Upcoming Events
Air Canada Related News.
Wings and Wheels Heritage Festival
Our first 70 years
Reader Submitted...Photos
TCA/Air Canada People Gallery
Alan's Space
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc
Reader's Feedback
Odds & Ends
Terry's Trivia
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CAHS Upcoming Events - Compiled by Alan Rust
CAHSWe have a listing below of all the CAHS (Canadian Aviation Historical Society) upcoming events that we are aware of.

If you are at all interested in Canadian aviation history, then we encourage you to attend a meeting or visit their web site at: www.cahs.ca

CAHS National Convention

Edmonton - June 22th to 26th - Mark your calendars for the CAHS 48th annual convention where they will explore the rich aviation history of Edmonton, the province of Alberta, and Canada's North. 

Presentations will range from civil and military aviation topics, to how regional heritage institutions are promoting this fascinating history, to creative ways authors are bringing these subjects to new audiences.


See: www.cahs.ca/events/convention.html for complete details.

Montreal ChapterMontreal Chapter  
Thursday, May 19, 2011
Time: 1100 hrs

Guest Speaker: 
Nick Wolochatiuk presented the TriviAir program at our April meeting last year and is back by popular demand for the May 19, 2011 meeting. 

For more information, visit the Montreal Chapter's website by clicking here

Calgary ChapterCalgary Chapter      

Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011
Time: 1900 hrs

Guest Speaker: 
Bruce W. Gowans - Discover the amazing story of the Prairie Air Mail flown from Winnipeg to Calgary and Edmonton between 1930 and 1932 by Western Canada Airways Limited. Learn how daring pilots carried this important cargo day and night, seven days a week!

For more information, visit the Calgary Chapter's website by clicking here

Ottawa ChapterOttawa Chapter

Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011
Time: 1930 hrs

Guest Speaker: Jay Hunt shares memories of some of his experiences as a competition aerobatic pilot, competing in Canada and Internationally during the 1970s and 1980s. 

For more information visit the Ottawa Chapters web site by clicking here . 

Manitoba ChapterManitoba Chapter

Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011
Time: 1900 hours

Guest Speaker: TBA


Fo more information, visit the Manitoba Chapter's website by clicking here

British Columbia ChapterVancouver Chapter
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
Time: 1900 hrs
Guest Speaker: TBA


For more info call Jerry Vernon at (604) 420-6065 or visit the Chapters website by clicking here

ACRA Upcoming Events- Compiled by Alan Rust
ACRA  LogoRetirees Welcome!

The following events are available for retirees through ACRA, the Air Canada Recreation Association.

Bowling 2011 Las Vegas 

Retirees Welcome!

ACRA System Golf

AGM 2011 VancouverAre you aware of an ACRA Event that is open to retirees? Please use the online form by following this link to submit your ACRA Event. (ACRA Events only please)

Retirement Tea for Flight Attendants - Compiled by Alan Rust

Tea Party!3rd Annual Retirement Tea for Air Canada Flight Attendants, Past and Present


Date: Thursday, June 2nd 2011 1400-1600 hrs

IAM Hall, 7980 River Road
Richmond, B.C.  R.S.V.P. by May 25th

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You can register online at: http://4094retirementtea.eventbrite.com

This will be our 3rd annual Retirement Tea to recognize our retired colleagues for their contributions to the Canadian Aviation Industry and Local 4094. We are inviting all retired and current members of our local to join in on some tea, coffee, cake, and old friends. Please pass the word around and come out and join in the fun of seeing familiar faces from the past and present.

Meet and Greet to follow at Pier 73 at the Delta Hotel (same place as last year just a name change). Please validate parking at hostess stand. Staying overnight? Show your Air Canada ID at the Delta Hotel in Richmond and you can get a rate of $59.99 per night plus taxes.

Wings and Wheels Heritage Festival - Compiled by Alan Rust & Terry Baker

Wings & Wheels Heritage Festival

6th annual Wings & Wheels Heritage Festival
· Showcases modern and vintage airplanes and vehicles.
· Celebrates aviation milestones.
· Welcomes home world's oldest Chipmunk - built at Downsview 65 years ago
· Rare opportunities for public to fly in a vintage aircraft, helicopter or around the CN Tower.
· First static display of the Discover Air Hawk One Canadair Sabre in Toronto area
· New Lockheed Martin C-130J Hercules from 436 Squadron at CFB Trenton is confirmed for Saturday

Canadian Air and Space MuseumCalling all aviation and automotive enthusiasts! The Canadian Air & Space Museum will host its 6th annual Wings & Wheels Heritage Festival at Downsview Park, Toronto on May 28-29, 2011.

Visitors will be treated to a fantastic display of past and present, highlighted by a rich collection of vintage, classic and modern aircraft and vehicles. All this in addition to exhibits, vendors, seminars, family-friendly activities, models, simulators, airplane rides and more.

This is Toronto's largest gathering of aviation and automotive excellence, where the whole family can get up close and personal with airplanes and their pilots, classic cars and their drivers, and military vehicles and Canadian Forces personnel. What better backdrop than the original historic de Havilland aircraft factory, and Bombardier Aerospace's Downsview Airport, all coupled with 50,000 square feet of indoor exhibits, along with outdoor exhibits.

An added bonus to the Festival will be a rare opportunity for guests to go flying in a vintage Tiger Moth, a helicopter, or one of the Brampton Flying Club's aircraft that will circle downtown Toronto!

The 2011 Festival will be honouring the following aviation milestones:
·  World's oldest flying DHC-1 de Havilland Chipmunk comes home after 65 years
·  80th anniversary - Trans Canada Air Pageant in Toronto
·  70th anniversary - British Commonwealth Air Training Plan (BCATP)
·  25th anniversary of the formation of Bombardier Aerospace
In the last couple of months, Terry Ward, co-chair of the 2011 Wings & Wheels Heritage Festival has made a number of presentations to Air Canada retirees in the Toronto area. AC retirees were encouraged to fly-in to the festival at Downsview Airport and advised that they could purchase discounted tickets on line.
The pricing for Air Canada active employees and Retirees is as follows: 
  • Active employees and retirees + 1 guest = $10
  • Members of ACRA, Dreams Take Flight and Pionairs = $8
    HST included
    Payment at Festival entrance
    No advanced sales
    ID required
For more info.: 
Web: www.wingsandwheelsfestival.com
Tel: 416-49-WINGS (416-499-4647)
E-mail: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Our first 70 years - Compiled by Terry Baker
Trans-Canada Air Lines/Air Canada

1944 - July 1st - Inaugural service between Halifax and Sydney.
1946 - July 1st - Inaugural service Toronto to Chicago. Also Edmonton-Calgary-Vancouver route.
1947 - July 1st - Inaugurated service Toronto-North Bay-Porquis Junction-Kapuskasing route.      
1951 - May - Department of National Defense contract to maintain RCAF aircraft at Winnipeg.
1955 - July -  Contract to maintain RCAF aircraft terminated..


Air Canada Related News - Compiled by Terry Baker
Air Canada News Air Canada moves to the International Terminal @ SFO. All of Air Canada's San Francisco operations are now at the SFO International Terminal, where our flights will arrive and depart from gate concourses A and G.
Reader Submitted Photos - Compiled by Terry Baker
Readers PhotosReader Submitted Photos - The photos and information below was sent to us by our faithful readers. If you would like to send us some old photos you have lying around. we will consider them for publication in a future NetLetter. We prefer good quality airline related photos, with descriptive text included with the submission.

avroyorkJack Morath, UK Pionairs, sends this photo and comment - I obtained this picture of the Avro York aircraft from the RAF museum. I actually obtained two and I kept one for my Family History write up as this was my first flight in an aircraft which was in 1953 during my National Service.


We took off from Stansted Airport on 1st June 1953, to Fayid in the Canal Zone in Egypt. We had to stop on the way in Malta for refueling. It was a very noisy aircraft and we were given ear plugs to use.  After a week or so in Fayid waiting for a posting, I was sent to  Habbaniya in Iraq, 55 miles from Baghdad. Can't remember which aircraft it was, but it was an RAF one.

TCA/Air Canada People Gallery - Compiled by Terry Baker
TCA/Air Canada  LogoMusings from the "Between Ourselves" and "Horizons" magazine, an Air Canada publication from years gone by, and various in-house magazines.
Issue dated - July 15th 1955
Perusing the "Between Ourselves" magazine

gypsygermaineA PRETTY veteran of the air lanes, who as a stewardess has flown in aircraft ranging from a 14-passenger Lodestar to our giant Super Constellations, has been chosen to represent our company on a goodwill tour of South America.

She is Anita Elizabeth "Gypsy" Germaine, of Montreal, who has been flying as a TCA stewardess for more than 10 years. She will take part in the pre-inaugural ceremonies of Pan American- Grace Airways' new service to South America. The tour is sponsored by Panagra. During her time with our company, Miss Germaine has logged upwards of 10,000 flying hours and has flown on nearly all our routes including services in Canada, United States, Britain, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany and the Caribbean.

timminsNew terminal building at Timmins opened June 11th 1955 and which will serve the Porcupine, by two round trips from Toronto.

patelA GROUP OF 17 PA (Tel's) from various stations across the system recently completed basic training.


Back row, from left: G. B. Findlay, XF; A. B. Lock, WG; R. C. Climie, (Instructor); C. 0. Robbins, UL; K. M. Tyron, UL. Middle: D. J. Rogers, XF; Miss B. J. Walters, UL; Miss R. D. Guest, VR; Miss M. Demers, QB; A. Lussier, UL; P. P. Mathewson, UL. Seated: Misses E. L. Cossitt, SD; L. 8. Campbell, QG; M. L. Lamb, XF; M. Hillicker, YZ; B. M. Hopkins, UL. Miss B. Wrynn, QM, not present.

pacntrSIXTH GROUP OF PA (CNTR) since the first a! the year recently graduated from basic training in Montreal.


From left they are, back row: R. J. Warren, (!nstructor) C. M. Irwin, LON M. A. Nicholls, WG; C. Rigby YZ D. Copeland, YZ; S. I. Clark, (Instructor). Middle row: L. D. Findlay, WG; .J. Gray, YZ; D. F Woolward, UL A. A. St. Laurent, UL; G. Tobin, UL. Seated: Misses B. J. Brunker, QG; I. P. Cossell, WG; P. Lepine, UL.

counteragentsTHIS GROUP OF counter agents recently completed basic PA course in Montreal.


From left, back row: R. E. Mason, YZ; Misses S. Wilson, OW; M. Brousseau, QBI; R. .J. Warren (Instructor); Miss B. A. Young, YZ; V. Peever, WG. Seated: Misses M. E. McTavish, WG; P. M. Whittle, QG; M. R. Walters, QX; G. D. Davidson, QG.

Alan's Space - by Alan Rust
Alan's Space
Alan Rust

The GREEN Thing - submitted by Alan Watson

In the line at the store, the cashier told the older woman without a re-usable bag that plastic bags weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized to her and explained, "We didn't have the green thing back in my day." 


That's right, they didn't have the green thing in her day. Back then, they returned their milk bottles, Coke bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, using the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But they didn't have the green thing back in her day.

In her day, they walked up stairs, because they didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. They walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time they had to go two blocks. But she's right. They didn't have the green thing in her day. 

Back then, they washed the baby's diapers because they didn't have the throw-away kind. They dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts - wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that old lady is right, they didn't have the green thing back in her day. 
Back then, they had one TV, or radio, in the house - not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a pizza dish, not a screen the size of the province of Alberta. In the kitchen, they blended and stirred by hand because they didn't have electric machines to do everything for you. When they packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, they used wadded up newspaper to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. 
Back then, they didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. They used a push mower that ran on human power. They exercised by working so they didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she's right, they didn't have the green thing back then. 

They drank from a fountain when they were thirsty, instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time they had a drink of water. They refilled pens with ink, instead of buying a new pen, and they replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But they didn't have the

green thing back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar and kids rode their bikes to school or rode the school bus, instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. They had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And they didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint. 
But that older lady is right. They didn't have the GREEN thing back in her day!

The Green Thing
The Green Thing
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc. People & Events
- Compiled by Terry Baker
CAIL TailsNews and articles from days gone by gleaned from various publications from C.A.I.L. and it's "ancestry" of contributing airlines.
Issue dated - August 1969
Extracted from PWA "Keeping Posted" magazine -
hayriver-1 Two views from the Hay River N.W.T. airport. The terminal building.
hayriver-2And the staff house.

stairwayBUILDING Maintenance HIGH JINKS
Our Vancouver building maintenance mechanics have just completed a mammoth construction job. 

A stand has been built that will enable mechanics and painters to reach the top of the tail assembly on our Boeing 707's and 737's. It has two decks, each of which can be adjusted to the required height at which the work is being done. The decks themselves, are shaped like a U' so that they go on both sides of the tail assembly. This is very convenient, because the stand has only to be moved into place and does not need moving again until the work on the tail assembly is completed.

Many hours of work went into this structure. The amount of welding required was a task in itself. Much of the credit is due to Harry Wahl, Keith Lane, Bob MacCullough and Jack Hill.  In these photos we assume these mechanics are pictured.

stewtrainingOn August 8th, W.R.Harris, VP and GM presented the "wings" to 16 graduating Stewardesses and 5 Stewards, climaxing four weeks of intensive training.


Here is a photo of the class and names, but we do not know where they stand in the scheme of things.  James Bisaillon, Giorgio Peggi, Hans Prins, Robert Pattison, Kenneth Merren, Annette Hansen, Sharon Blair, Nicole Bradshaw, Jo-Anne Gillis, Linda Harris, Dorothy Butchart, Susan Fraser, Cherry Lundy, Margeret Unger, Lesley Webster, Jacqueline Coady, Patricia McDonald, Nancy Campbell, Susan Wells, Geraldine Hollowachuk, Elizabeth Sutherland.

With all the business going on with the moon trip and Air Canada offering reservations, we, the staff in Penticton, decided to see if we could go. Here are the messages we sent and received:


(We at the NetLetter, assume the tickets are in the mail - eds)

History was made at Campbell River, Vancouver Island, BC when Boeing B737 flight PWA732 landed on June 28th. This was the first commercial jet to arrive at Campbell River.
Reader's Feedback - Compiled by Terry Baker
Reader's Feedback
Every week we ask our readers for their stories or  feedback on what they have read here in previous issues. Below is the feedback we have received recently. 

ywgp&sJack Stephens sends us this email regarding NetLetter nr 1162 - Another fine Netletter.  

I was pleasantly surprised to see the Materials Inspection department. I was the clerk-steno to Cy Paige who was the Chief Inspector. The identification on the caption should read, from left to right: Ross Smith, Wally Snyder, Jim MacKay and Cy Paige. Two inspectors are missing, Ted Chitty and Eric. Can anyone help with his last name?


The materials on the conveyor belt were most likely Viscount parts. As with the whole Stores building, the Inspection area was a hive of activity, as Viscounts started to arrive from the UK. As a clerk, I was kept busy keeping the Viscount manuals up to date. Thanks for a look back.


Sincerely, Jack Stephens  

(Thank you for pointing out the sequence of the names - we rechecked the magazine and the sequence was as we printed. We can only assume the photo was published in the magazine backwards - eds) 

Jack also sends on this information from Doug Seagrim.

Hi Jack....With reference to the Victoria Viscount, in the last "Net Letter nr 1162" the text referred to fin 625 as CF-THG which is correct but the photo referred to it as CF-TGH. Probably nobody except we Viscount fans would care but I am sitting at my desk looking at the Captain's primary flight director from that aircraft and it is certainly CF-THG.
Cheers, Doug Seagrim

mckinnoncrewIn NetLetter nr 1162 we ran this photo with a request for identities - Bev May sends us this information - Re request for idents on crew CDN7. Can't help with the flight attendants but F/O Al Schmidt (hand on the overhead bin) and F/O Barry Moffitt (holding his hat) are the rest of the cockpit crew.  

Bev. May

dc8destroyedUpon reading the information in "Our first 70 years" in NetLetter nr 1162, Sus and Dave Kerrigan sends us this photo and comment - 

I saw the note about fin 822 and thought the attached would be of interest. Not sure if you already have one or not. I can't seem to find one of the aftermath with the nose rolled on to the air conditioning truck and the tail resting on a lav truck.

822-1From our archives, the NetLetter has dug these photos up.

Odds & Ends - Compiled by Terry Baker
Odds & EndsSometimes we receive articles and information that just doesn't fit in our other areas. This is where it goes!

elizabethanMODERN day eyes, accustomed to the sexy, sleek imagery of the 21st century will probably consider BEA's choice of the name "Elizabethan" for its Airspeed Ambassadors 60 years ago to be quite apt, for the planes now look almost as antiquated as Sir Francis Drake's ship The Golden Hind. 

Yet despite its chubby, low-slung design, here was an aircraft considered to be so stylish in the early 1950s that it was immediately put to work on the airline's flagship Silver Wing service to Paris, whisking the well-to-do to the French capital in a flurry of subservience and luxury. Three of those pampered passengers are on view here, in a carefully-posed photo taken at London Airport (later Heathrow) in about 1952.


There is common belief that the Elizabethan was named in honor of the new queen, which is slightly puzzling, as King George VI did not pass away until February 1952. This particular aircraft was sold in 1960 and used by the King of Morocco

(Source Skyport-LHR, UK)

Terry's Trivia and Travel Tips - by Terry Baker
Terry Baker
Terry Baker

Here is some information we received from the River Rock Casino Resort in Richmond, B.C. ( next to Vancouver).

casinoThe schedules show the free shuttle service from various hotels in the vicinity, assuming you are unable to afford the Casino Resort prices.


Some of the hotels listed may give an interline discount - try them - I have been sucessful in  obtaining a discount at the Travelodge, Delta and the Accent Inn in the past. The other schedule is for free transportation to various shopping malls - in case you still have some winnings left and you are staying at the Casino Resort.

Smileys - Compiled by Terry Baker
As we surf the internet and back issues of airline magazines we regularly find airline related jokes and cartoons. Below is our latest discovery.

Here are the final exchanges sent to us by Vern Swerdfeger -
Tower: 'American...and for your information, you were slightly to the left of the centerline on that approach.'
American: 'That's correct; and, my First Officer was slightly to the right.'
Controller: 'USA353 contact Cleveland Center 135.60.
Controller: 'USA353 contact Cleveland Center 135.60!'
Controller: 'USA353 you're just like my wife you never listen!'
Pilot: 'Center, this is USA553, maybe if you called her by the right name you'd get a better response!'
Pilot: 'Barnburner 123, request 8300 feet.'
Bay Approach: 'Barnburner 123, say reason for requested altitude.'
Pilot: 'Because the last 2 times I've been at 8500, I've nearly been run over by some bozo at 8500 feet going the wrong way!'
Bay Approach: 'That's a very good reason. 8300 approved.'
Controller: 'FAR1234 confirm your type of aircraft. Are you an Airbus 330 or 340?'
Pilot: 'A340 of course!'
Controller: 'Then would you mind turning on the other two engines and give me 1000 feet per minute, please?'
Tower: 'Cessna 123, turn right now and report your heading.'
Pilot: 'Wilco. 341, 342, 343, 344, 345...'
Foreign Pilot Trainee: 'Tower, please speak slowly, I am a baby in English and lonely in the cockpit'
Controller: 'CRX600, are you on course to SUL?'
Pilot: 'More or less.'
Controller: 'So proceed a little bit more to SUL.'
Pilot: 'Good morning, Frankfurt ground, KLM 242 request start up and push back, please.'
Tower: 'KLM 242 expect start up in two hours.'
Pilot: 'Please confirm: two hours delay?'
Tower: 'Affirmative.'
Pilot: 'In that case, cancel the good morning!

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We hope you have enjoyed this issue of the NetLetter, see you next week!

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