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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 280   date May 27th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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.  NEED TO KNOW - INFORMATION -

Your co-pilot will be on vacation until 1st week of July, so there
will be no NetLetters for awhile. BUT, send any information through
so that we can get a resumption of information as soon as we can.
Any information will be acknowledged upon our return.

PLEASE address ALL correspondence to both of us as Vesta lives in
Victoria, B.C. and Terry lives in Ladysmith,B.C. (near Nanaimo, B.C.)
This saves us extra posts between ourselves. <G>

Don't forget to visit:
TCA/AIR CANADA PIONAIRS Website at http://www.acra.ca/pionairs
and the Between yOurselves - NetLetter web page
http://www.acra.ca/between

The Pionairs AGM '99 will be held at the Sheraton Wall Centre in Vancouver.
The dates are April 25th, 26th, 27th 1999.

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. We welcome the following 'cons' -

Mary Polonuk retired Pensions & Estates Co-ordinator living in Winnipeg
email - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
John Cavill email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Brian Dunn, still active at YYZ and helping to keep our
pension plan funded <g>, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Stan Petch email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Brian Dunn sends us this information -
Subject: Biography

... even though I am not retired yet (29yrs service and thinking about it)
I publish a 'YYZ NEWS' e-mail bulletin from time to time.
I just got back from a trip to Hong Kong.  The purpose of the trip was
primarily to photograph airliners making the famous (or infamous) Kowloon City
approach to Kai Tak airport before it closes on July 5th.
I took video camera with me as well as some print film.  Despite some
lousy weather for photography I managed to get some good shots I believe.
There is no other airport in the world that I know of where 747s and other
widebody aircraft make a 40 degree turn on to final within one mile of the
airport....and do it visually at minimum altitude and minimum speed over built
up residential urban area.  It is something to behold!
All of the "fun" of landing at Hong Kong will be gone on July 6th when
the new airport opens at Chep Lap Kok.  Interestingly enough, as luck
would have it Air Canada flight 837 arrives at Kai Tak aiport on the
evening of July 5th, then the aircraft will be ferried over to the new
airport the next morning for departure of flight AC836 to Vancouver.
My personal info;
...   started with A.C. in the Resv. office , at  130 Bloor St. West,
Toronto, on  Jan. 27 th, 1969.
In  April 1973, transferred to YYZ  Airport, working in the Passenger Service
world, in Terminal  1. Through the years, worked as  A/Contract Carrier Mgr.,
did A/Passenger Superv. assignments. Worked in the Scheduling Department,
and in the Stoc  Center,  where to-day  he is a  Shift  Co-ordinator,
assigning Gates, at  Terminal Two.
...  had a very keen  interest in Aircraft.  From the Mid  1960's
(I have) been recording Aircraft  Registrations, first in the Toronto Area,
but in later years, world wide.
... instrumental in the Publishing of the North American Aviation News,
for about 11 years.    This is a book which records and illustrates
Aircraft Facts,  Registrations, and Stat's, including pictures.
This publication included features, on Airline  and Route News,  and
often articles on De-Havilliand Twin Otters, and then Dash 7s, etc.
... found personel time valuable and no longer involved with
this type of publication.
Currently, married, and living in the Town of  Richmond Hill
just North of Metro Toronto. 
By for now,  Brian  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Another story regarding the Vanguard aircraft -

Am forwarding this which I got from my son, the lawyer, in Calgary.
Am enjoying the nostalgia trip on the Vanguard.  It was a friendly old tub
and I had a soft spot for it.  It was my first flight ever - BEA from
Heathrow to Edinburgh.  Only BEA and AC bought it.  In cruise it had a
characteristic thrum which would zing through the cabin every few seconds.
When I worked at the base, somebody more technical than I explained that
the fuselage had unfortunately acquired some of the properties of a tuning
fork.  Can anybody confirm?
Doug Davidson  Kuwait  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. In NetLetter nr 275, Ken Day sent information regarding the Vanguard story
from Bill Norberg - we inadvertantly referred to Ken as Auldis - sorry Ken
-moving right along, here is a story from Ken.
Bill' s contributions usually prompt recall of similar or related events
one of which concerns the super constellation operating on the North
Atlantic during the winter in the mid-fifties. Perhaps Bill would flesh
the story out from the technical standpoint. It concerns clear air
carburetor icing although the problem was not initially readily identifiable.
At one point, consideration was given to routing flights via Santa Maria in
the Azores.

One flight of note during this period was operated westbound by Captain
Steve Abulet. It is "reported" that Captain Abulet lived up to his nickname
particularly during this operation. The aircraft literally roller coastered
across "the Pond" with engines cutting in and out with grave doubts as to
whether the flight would clear the Greenland Icecap and the Meany Mountains
prior to Goose Bay.
The situation was such that Steve was unable to leave his seat for a very
very lengthy period.  The purser, Bill Mallar was called upon to show some
imagination and initiative and he settled - several times- on the first
class green styrofoam Ice Bucket.
In the months that followed, a frequent question was whether Steve's ice
bucket was on board that day!
Ken Day        email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

(We, the editors, took the liberty of asking Bill Norberg for his comment,
as suggested by Ken Day, and here it is) -

Re the E-mail from Ken Day. Yes I certainly do remember very well the
incident involving a Super Connie and Capt. Steve Albulet.
I was in charge of Maintenance Mechanical Performance Analysis at the time.
The incident is still clear in my mind. In fact it was going to be one of
the stories I was planning to send  on to you.
The flight in question was westbound and operating at a fairly high
altitude when it began experiencing losses of power on a number of engines.
They could restore power inmtermittently but it looked  quite serious for a
while.
We felt the aircraft was experiencing the problem due to low outside
temperatures and wanted the crew to reduce attitude in an attempt to
experience warmer OAT's. Captain Albulet was not about to give away what he
no doubt considered his ace in the hole....altitude! He struggled on with a
varying number of engines continuing to give problems.
It was only when he was within virtual gliding distance of Goose Bay that
he stated to reduce altitude. When he did so,as predicted, he was able to
restore power to all engines. The cause was hang-up of the pistons in the
fuel injection pumps that fed fuel to the cylinders.
The problem was resolved by modification action.
By the way we knew Capt. Steve Albulet as "Squeaky Steve" due to his rather
high pitched voice when excited. He was a great pilot!
Best regards   Bill Norberg  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. In NetLetter nr 275, we made mention of the Russian super-jumbo AN24.
Vlad Slivitzky sets us straight -
Hi Everybody !
Although I don't expect to be commenting  very often on aircraft type and
characteristics and things, not being a "technically minded fellow".., I
thought I would offer, as an exception, the following comment:
Re: RUSSIA DEVELOPS SUPER-JUMBO. Of course I wish the Sukhoi Design Bureau
team all kinds of luck and success in this endeavour.  God knows they need
some successes these days, when the whole country, including the Russian
aircraft manufacturing industry, is in such dire straits. I have some
doubts, however, that they will succeed on their own without large foreign
(or "New Russian") financial investments. That, by the way is an aside.
The main reason I write is to correct a small error in the report. Currently
the world's largest Cargo aircraft is the Antonov AN-124 also known as the
Ruslan (as in "Ruslan and Ludmila"), a legendary Russian hero. The poor
little AN-24 is a Viscount vintage turboprop that  still forms a major part
of the CIS domestic fleets. It's not very comfortable !
Best Regards Vlad Slivitzky  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.

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Jun 1, 8, 15, 29/98
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4    Messina, Sicily            2:00pm    7:00pm
5    Naples, Italy                8:00am    7:00pm
6    Cruising West
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Celebrate the "Gold Rush" by visiting Alaska this year
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Glacier Route
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Inside Passage Vancouver Return
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THESE RATES ARE IN US DOLLARS PER PERSON, CRUISE ONLY, BASED ON DOUBLE
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INTERLINE PERSONS.
CALL Canadian Interline Travel AT 1-800-665-3100 and mention Pionairs.

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. Smilie.
Doug Davidson found these -
The following are actual stories told by travel agents about their
actual experiences (and you wonder why US citizens generally score
less than the rest of the world on geography):
A secretary called in looking for a hotel in Los Angeles. She gave
me various names off a list, none of which I could find. I finally
had her fax me the list. To my surprise, it was a list of hotels in
New Orleans, Louisiana, which has the postal zip code LA.  She
thought the LA stood for Los Angeles and that New Orleans was a
suburb of L.A. Worst of all, when I called her back, she wasn't
even embarrassed.

A man called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what
was wrong with the vacation in Orlando. He said he was expecting an
ocean-view room. I tried to explain that that's not possible, since
Orlando is in the middle of the state. He replied, "Don't lie to
me. I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state."
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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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