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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 290   date July 20th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. Welcome to Lionel Musgrove, Corporate chauffeur as a member of Air Canada
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Janet Grunwald-Polasek, Customer Services, living in Brampton,
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Onil Lacharite Captain B767 living in Provost, Que
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Murray Brooks retired from P & F YUL moved to Winnipeg
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Ted Cordwin Manager Tech. Training lives in Hudson, Que
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Malcolm Jones living in Dollard des Ormeaux, Que
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Frank Houghton from Brampton, Ont email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
John Bosma lives in Orangeville, Ont email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Bill Gillis ex CN Telecomms who worked closely with TCA/AC.
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Bill Gillis worked with Don Murphy and Williamson and is also
a radio ham being Eastern Director for the Radio Amateurs of
Canada. Bill would welcome hearing from old fiends.

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. News from the Districts -
From the Air Canada Pionairs - USA Newsletter - Summer 1998.
Executive:
Director - Ian McMurray,  V.P.,- Mac Francis, Treasurer - Jim Christie
Secretary - Art Bedford, Pension Rep - Peter Pemberton.
Newsletter editor - Rhanda Spotton, Distribution - George Hoban.

U.S.Pionairs Meeting - Fall 1998.
When: Oct 1, 2, 3, 4.
Where: Walnut Creek Marriott Hotel, Walnut Creek, California.
Cost: us$86.00 single/double. us$96.00 triple with full breakfast.
Location: Walnut Creek is 20 miles due east of San Francisco.
Activities include hospitality suite on arrival with hosted bar.
Welcome committee in the baggage area of SFO from 11.00 to 18.00.
the committee will take your luggage and give directions for travel.
Oct 2 will be business meetings, afternoon free, dinner at one of
Walnut Creeks finest, hospitality suite open.
Oct 3 trip to Napa Valley wine country, stopping at Robt. Mondavi,
Berlinger and Sterling Vineyards return via Silverado Trail, tour
with picnic lunch us$20.00 pp
OR golf at Diablo Hills.
hospitality suite open.
Oct 4 check out and depart.
Hotel reservations:
Call Marriott direct by Aug 15th at 1-800-228-9290 and identify yourself
as Air Canada Pionair.
Further details from Mac Francis email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Some of the old AC NYC gang of the '50/60's were at a New Years Eve Party
in Sun City - Alex Douglas, Don & Mae Richardson, Ted & Shirley Duffield,
Kitty Crowe, Bob & Mary Ann Affleck, Art & Swann Suffron,
and Timmi Fitzgerald.

Semi-Annual Meeting - Pionairs USA held on May 18th in Toronto.
Chaired by Ian McMurray, Director USA, attendend by 34 Pionairs and
guests.
The rule that a member of the Board of Directors of the National
Pionairs has to be a resident of Canada was challenged, and the Board
promised to consider the matter.
Doug Lovat, Director Pensions & Employees Benefits (Air Canada)
provided information regarding the Retiree Health Care Plan for all
US retirees, and made mention of the new Pionairs web site at
http://www.acra.ca/pionairs
Olie Moore - President National Pionairs
gave information regarding the new Air Canada Pionairs Travel Guide,
the Pionairs web site and invited all retirees to join the mailing
list for this NetLetter, and provided information of the arrangement
with both Dargal and Canadian Interline for a 1% rebate back to the
Pionairs on any tours booked through them.

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. Final part of the story from Bill Norberg -
Without doubt the most valuable use of the cockpit voice and flight data
recorder system was in the case of the DC-8 incident in Toronto in July
1970. That was an event that will forever be in my memory. The loss of an
aircraft in airline operation is the most soul destroying event an airline
can ever go through. It strikes at the very heart and core of the airline's
responsibility to its travelling public and to its corporate management
and personnel. It is the ultimate failure of our system of operating.
This incident ocurred about 6 months after I was appointed Vice President
of maintenance. I was to learn the grim news that we had lost an aircraft
in regular operation in the form of a telephone call from Maintenence
Central about 8:20 AM on Sunday morning July 5th 1970. The Maintenence
coordinator said that a DC-8 had crashed near Toronto. When I asked for more
details he said..."It fell out of the sky". I said aircraft just don't fall
out of the sky".  He then said..."This one did". I was just about sick at
this point but quickly got dressed and headed out to Maintenence Central
where our technical people gather under such circumstances.
We were to learn the sad news that a number of our colleagues were among
the passengers who lost their lives. We quickly established the serial number
and identification of the data recorder on board and transmitted the
information to the team at the incident site so they could locate the unit
as quickly as possible. To make a long story short, we located the unit
about 5 PM that day and had it in the Instrument shop at Dorval by 11 PM
that evening for disassembly and recovery of the magnetic tape. While the
unit was slightly damaged,the tape was intact.
A crowd of people began to gather in the shop.
The conclusion next time -    "Bill Norberg" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Terry's travel tips.



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. Found on the Internet.

CATCA MEMBERS SEND STRONG STRIKE MESSAGE...
Predictions of overwhelming approval of a strike vote came to pass last
week, as the 2200 members of the Canadian Air Traffic Controllers
Association voted 98.9% in favor.

PILOTS PLAN FOR WALKOUTS, TOO...
It wasn't too terribly long ago that we were dancing around with flowers
in our hair, and talking about the "summer of love."  How times change.
Summer '98 might be best characterized as the "season of discontent."
Continental pilots are warning they are prepared to walk.

...TWA PILOTS PREPARE FOR PICKETING...
Over at TWA, pilots irritated at the lack of progress in contract
negotiations plan a series of informational pickets this week at their
St. Louis hub.  

...NWA'S TROUBLES CONTINUE TO MOUNT
You might not want to hedge your bets with a ticket on Northwest.  NWA
pilots have their own concerns, and have filed a grievance challenging
the carrier's alliance plans with Continental.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Canadian Interline Travel Ltd -

Pacific Coastal 'Norwegian Wind' Sept 14th - 5 days departs Vancouver
to Los Angeles from us$299 pp dbl.
Alaska Interline Sale
7 night cruises round trip Vancouver & Glacier Route from us$499 pp dbl.
Summer holiday cruise Hawaii, Honolulu, Kaui, Maui, Hilo & Kona
7 nights from us$840 pp dbl Aug 1st, 8th and 15th.
Pacific Coastal 'Norwegian Wind' Dept 14th from Vancouver to Los Angeles
5 day cruise from us$299 pp dbl.
Mediterranean Cruise 'Rembrandt' 7 nights departs Barcelona visit Nice,
Rome, Naples, Sicily to Palma de Mallorca Spain. from us$499 pp dbl.
Bermuda 'Norwegian Crown' 7 night from New York return. From us$699 pp dbl.
Call 1-800-665-3100 and mention Pionairs.

Dargal Interline Cruises and Tours

Dargal Interline Cruises & Tours can arrange tours on the Rocky Mountineer
which travels through the Rockies for UK staff from GBP150.00 - wiht
such a good exchange rate - nows the time to visit you UK'ers!
Call (250)861-3223 in Canada or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

10 nights Circle Caribbean 'Spendour of the Seas' departs Nov 25th
Miami, Playa del Carmen/Mexico, Cozumen/Mexico, Georgetown/Grand Cayman,
Ocho Rios/Jamaica, St.Thomas/USVI, San Juan/Puerto Rico, Labadee/Haiti,
Miami.  Inside us$1169 pp dbl port/gov't fees us$138
Call 1-800-690-3223 and mention Pionairs.


PRINCESS CRUISES
PANAMA CANAL - 10-day Roundtrip Ft. Lauderdale on the REGAL PRINCESS
Oct. 29, Nov. 18, Dec. 8 - Rates starting at $799.00pp including port chgs.
PANAMA CANAL - 10-day Acapulco to San Juan on the SUN PRINCESS
Dec. 5 - Rates starting at $699.00pp including port chgs.
PANAMA CANAL - 11-day "Holiday Sailing" San Juan to Acapulco - SUN PRINCESS
Dec. 15 - Rates starting at $899.00pp including port chgs.
CANADA/NEW ENGLAND - 10-day New York to Montreal on the ROYAL PRINCESS
Aug. 30 - Rates starting at $799.00pp including port chgs.
HAWAII - 9-day Honolulu to Ensenada on the CROWN PRINCESS
Oct. 18 - Rates starting at $499.00pp including port chgs. AMAZING RATE!!!
Outside cabin are $599.00pp & Balcony cabins are $699.00pp.
ORIENT/NORTH PACIFIC - 19-day Vancouver to Beijing on the SKY PRINCESS
Sept. 21 - Rates starting at $1,199.00pp including port chgs.
BEIJING HIGHLIGHTS - 13-day Hong Kong to Beijing on the SKY PRINCESS
Oct. 22 - Rates starting at $599.00pp including port chgs AMAZING RATE!!!
ROYAL CARIBBEAN
ALASKA - Specials on the RHAPSODY & the LEGEND OF THE SEAS
July, Aug., & Sept. Rates starting at $514.00pp
SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN - 7-day from San Juan on the MONARCH OF THE SEAS
Select dates in September - Rates starting at $444.00pp
CELEBRITY CRUISE LINES
BERMUDA - 7-day from New York on the HORIZON
Rates starting at $699.00pp including port charges
NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINES
SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN - 7-day from San Juan on the NORWEGIAN SEA
Aug. 29, Sept. 5, Sept. 12, Sept, 19, & Sept. 26 - starting at $499.00pp
SCANDINAVIAN CAPITALS/MED. HIGHLIGHTS/HOLY LAND/TRANSATLANTIC - on the
NORWEGIAN DREAM & NORWAY - TOO MANY TOO LIST!  Call for these incredible
rates!!! 
PACIFIC COASTAL - 5-day from Vancouver to Los Angeles on the NORWEGIAN WIND
Sept. 14 - RATES STARTING AT $299.00pp!!!!!
TEXARIBBEAN - 7-day from Houston on the NORWEGIAN STAR
Several dates - starting at $449.00pp
WESTERN CARIBBEAN - 7-day from Miami on the NORWEGIAN WIND
Oct., Nov., & Dec. - Rates starting at $429.00pp
All cruise rates are quoted in US dollars, cruise only, double occupancy,
and are subject to availability.
RATES APPLY TO ELIGIBLE INTERLINE PERSONS & GUESTS SHARING THE SAME CABIN.
These rates won't last long!
So call  AT 1-800-345-7576!!!

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. Smilies.
From: Jenn Callum <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
COMEDY IN THE AIR

Occasionally, airline attendants make an effort to make the "in-flight
safety lecture" a bit more entertaining. Here are some real examples that
have been heard or reported:

"As we prepare for takeoff, please make sure your tray tables and seat
backs are fully upright in their most uncomfortable position."

"There may be 50 ways to leave your lover, but there are only 4 ways out of
this airplane..."

"Your seat cushions can be used for floatation, and in the event of an
emergency water landing, please take them with our compliments."

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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