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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 291   date July 23rd, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. Welcome to Robert Macdonald Customer Sales Service Agent living in Brampton,
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John Roger retired as NDT Techie living in Ile Bizard, Que
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Edgar Gohs retired as Passenger Agent living in Clearbrook, BC
he is at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Norman Marginson retired to Alexandria, Ont - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Clive Bebbington retired Manager Tech. Ops Training
living in Winnipeg,
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. News from the districts.
BURLOAK "COFFEE KLATCH" PIONAIRS (BURLINGTON - OAKVILLE)
Golf Morning at Rock Chapel Golf Center
167 Highway #5, RR#2
Dundas, On. (West of Waterdown)
(905)689 - 2233
on August 10/98 at 0930 hrs. Nine holes Executive Course $9.00
Eighteen holes Putting Course $6.00. Lunch planned at Tucker's market Place
3100 South Service Rd. (Near Guelph Line), Burlington, On.
For Reservations and/or further info call
Nellie Collins (905) 469 - 9824 or Irv Christjanson (905) - 637 - 6656

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. This is the conclusion of the story from Bill Norberg -

I realized very quickly that we were about to experience a first in Canadian
air transportation history and set about to establish some guidelines as to
how the playback of the tape should happen. I had a meeting with the D.O.T
representative and said we must limit who will be in the room at time of
playback due to the likely very sensitive nature of its contents. He agreed
with me and I said I wanted Ken Chapman my Director of Engineering, Ray
Farren the systems engineer, Chris DeLavison the playback centre technician
and myself. The Dot man was there of course as well as Captain Marriott the
flight operations representative on the investigation team.
It was about 1:00 AM when we got the tape to the playback room and were
ready to start the playback of the cockpit voice recording. Our playback
room was not exactly designed with secrecy in mind so I set up key people
outside the room at appropriate distances so no one, especially
reporters,   could get within hearing distance or close enough to hear what
was going on inside. I did not want media reporters getting parts of the
story before investigators had been able to properly evaluate whatever we
might learn.
I remember feeling so uneasy about what was happening. It was like looking
in on some one's private life. It was a very tense situation as we played
the tape. We knew what was about to happen but the pilots had no such idea
and were going about their tasks in a routine manner. Those few seconds of
panic as the Captain realized what was happening were terrifying. We had
those fateful words..."Board clear spoilers to go" and as a result of those
few moments of playback were able to determine exactly what had happened to
cause the aircraft to crash killing all on board. We also knew the rest of
the fleet were not in trouble. All this in less than 20 hours after the
aircraft crashed. This is why we went to all that trouble and heartache to
get these syetms installed. As a result we were able to remove the debris
from the crash site in a very few days knowing we had found the cause.
The crash of an aircraft with loss of life is the worst nightmare any
airline ever has to deal with. This one emphasized once again the
importance of well thought out procedures,excellent training and above all
else, adherence to procedures.
"Bill Norberg" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Where are they now.
Peter Kralka sends us this message -

My joining your netletter has resulted in re-establishing some old
memorable contacts. I often wonder about the whereabouts of many other old
contacts.
Peter Kralka email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(If you know Peter, why not send him an email - eds)

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. Found on the Internet.

CYBER TRAVEL
American Airlines has completely revamped its web site to offer more
personalization and better online booking features. American Airlines
operates the most visited airline web site, according to independent
auditors, with up to 6 million page views.

Swissair has launched an Internet booking facility on its web site allowing
users to make reservations on all Swissair flights and on flights of partner
airlines (Austrian Airlines, Delta Airlines and Sabena) to or from
Switzerland.

WEB SITES.
Don't forget to look in on the ACRA/Pionairs web site
http://www.acra.ca/pionairs
The web site is put together by Tom Grant and Alan Rust, both from
Vancouver.

AIRCRAFT ORDERS
US regional carrier Air Wisconsin has placed a firm order for four Canadair
CL-65 Regional Jet Series 200LR aircraft from Bombardier Aerospace.

US AIRWAYS GOES TRANSATLANTIC: FIRST U.S. CARRIER TO BUY A330
A new, $3.7 billion deal for as many as 30 Airbus A330 wide-body twins
will make US Airways the first U.S. carrier to operate the type and came
a day after its pilots approved a new pay scale for flying it.

WOMEN PAIR UP FOR COMMEMORATIVE FLIGHT...IN A MAULE?
Two Nashville, Tenn., women -- Nikki Mitchell and Rhonda Miles -- plan to
depart from Lebanon, Tenn., for Moscow in a Maule M-5.  Mitchell, 43,
and Miles, 40, plan to fly the single-engine taildragger to Moscow and
meet up with two Russian pilots.  The four women then will retrace the
record setting 1938 flight made by Valentina Grizodubova, Paulina
Ossipenko and Marina Raskova.
(Great, let try to keep track of this courageous team of pilots. eds)

LESS THAN 18 MONTHS TO 1-1-00:
In what could be a precursor to the events of January 1, 2000, opening day
at Malaysia's new $2.3 billion airport was anything but a New Year's party,
after a computer meltdown fouled up everything from internal lighting to
baggage delivery.
Domestic and international flights were delayed for hours as officials
tried to sort out the confusion.  Maybe they just installed Windows 98
over an existing operating system?
(This must be the same computer program installed in Hong Kong! - eds)

Air Canada reported almost $75,000 per round trip in lost revenues due
to the dominant cargo company at the new Chek Lap Kok airport having
major computer problems

UNITED AIRLINES SAYS NO TO U.S. FLAG:
Veteran United Airlines Flight Attendant Anne Miller has worn a small
American flag pin on her uniform going back to her service aboard the
carrier's DC-8 charters to and from Vietnam for the U.S. military.  Now, her
new supervisor -- ironically a retired USAF officer -- has directed her to
lose the pin since it violates the carrier's dress code.  Not easily outdone,
Miller protested the matter to her union and began handing out similar pins to
other FAs.
Adding to the irony, UAL specifically asks its flight attendants who are
multilingual to wear a flag pin identifying that language.
(No comment - eds)

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. Terry's travel tips.

Canadian Interline Travel -

CARIBBEAN * EUROPE * HOLY LAND * TEXARIBBEAN * HAWAII * BERMUDA *
SOUTH AMERICA/// ALSO SOME HOLIDAY SAILINGS WITH GREAT RATES

NORWEGIAN SEA - 7-NIGHT SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN FROM SAN JUAN
SEP 5 THRU 26, OCT 3, 17 THRU NOV 14, 28
RATES STARTING AT $299PP INSIDE, $349PP OUTSIDE, $399PP DLX OUTSIDE
NORWEGIAN MAJESTY 3-NIGHT CRUISE FROM MIAMI - 11/20, 12/18
$229PP INSIDE, $279PP OUTSIDE, $309PP DLX OUTSIDE
NORWEGIAN MAJESTY 4-NIGHT CRUISE FROM MIAMI - 11/16, 11/30, 12/7, 12/14
$259PP INSIDE, $309PP OUTSIDE, $349PP DLX OUTSIDE
NORWEGIAN MAJESTY &  LEEWARD ***HOLIDAY SAILING***
7-NIGHT WESTERN CARIBBEAN FROM MIAMI ON DEC 21/98
$699PP INSIDE, $849PP OUTSIDE, $899PP DLX OUTSIDE
NORWEGIAN MAJESTY - 7-NIGHT BERMUDA -  THRU to 8/16
$499PP INSIDE, $649PP OUTSIDE
LEEWARD - 3-NIGHT CRUISE FROM MIAMI - 11/6, 12/18
$229PP INSIDE, $279PP OUTSIDE, $309PP DLX OUTSIDE
NORWEGIAN CROWN - 7-NIGHT BERMUDA -  THRU to 8/15
$699PP INSIDE, $849PP OUTSIDE
NORWEGIAN CROWN - 7-NIGHT BERMUDA - 8/22, 8/29
$599PP INSIDE, $749PP OUTSIDE

ABOVE RATES ARE IN US DOLLARS AND ARE BASED ON DOUBLE OCCUPANCY.
For Reservations Call 1-800-665-3100 Today!! and mention Pionairs.

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. Smilie.

Capt'n said, "I'm retiring next month and wish to pass something on to
young pilots who will be flying this airline after I'm gone."
His copilot leaned an attentive ear toward his gray-haired Captain in
anticipation of some unwritten rule-of-thumb, or some secret technique
for ensuring smooth landings.
Capt'n confided, "In 30 years of flying the line, if there's anything
I've learned, it's this: the smaller the flight attendant, the heavier
her suitcase, and the harder she slams the cockpit door."

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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