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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 293   date July 29th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome more to our growing list -
Robert Austin living in Kanata, Ont. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Chuck Campbell in Clifford, Ont This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Barbara Hildebrand now in Tucson, AZ, USA This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Vern Matheuszik from Hudson, Que This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Pat McGilligan-Maggs with email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Lillian Pelletier in Ste. Therese, Que This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
William J Sullivan reigning in Reno NV, USA This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Owen Fitzgerald retired Supvr CSS YYZ living in Pickering, On
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Capt. Myron Olson retired Capt. B767 lives in Langley, BC
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. Where are they now?
Peter Brown has changed his email address, try him on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. WHAT'S ON AND WHERE FROM AUG 4-14,1998.

Tuesday  August 4, 1998
*NEW* EDMONTON Pionairs Coffee & Chat - Smitty's
Lounge, Kingsway Garden  Mall 10 am SEE NL 287
Kelowna/Vernon Pionairs monthly 10am Coffee&Chat at Muffin Break.
Penticton monthly 10:am  Coffee&Chat at Tim Hortons Cherry Lane
Shopping Mall
Thursday  August 6, 1998
Montreal, Pionairs monthly  Lunch at Chenoy's Pte Claire
Friday  August 7, 1998
Ottawa,  Pionair KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM Weekly,
Family   Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping
Sunday  August 9, 1998
Ottawa, Pionairs Brunch  320 Rideau St. info  841-7091
Monday  August 10, 1998
Burlington Pionairs Golf  Morning @ Rock Chapel Golf Centre
@ 0930am  see nl 291 for full details
UK PIONAIRS/ACRA Riverboat  Shuffle.
Wednesday  August 12, 1998
Alexandria Air Canada Retirees Lunch Grp monthly,
for info Clive 613-525-4819 or Cam  224-6469
Edmonton Pionairs Summer   BBQ Wed  Kinsmen River Valley
1600-2000 Shirley Jay see nl 287 for more details
Friday  August 14, 1998
Ottawa,  Pionair KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM Weekly,
Family Restaurant, Carlingwood  Shopping

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. News from the districts.
St Catharines have a weekly get together at the Sweets & Crepes Cafe on
Ontario St at Lakeport. Every Wednesday at 10 AM a small group of us meet up
to solve some of the world's problems.
All retirees in this area are very welcome.
Further info can be obtained from Colin Bailey at 935-3970.

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. Arthur Adamson sends us this message -
Art Anders passed away in a W.Van nursing home Jul.23. A sevice is being
held at Holleyburn Funeral Parlours a 10.00 thurs. Jul.30.
Art joined the airline in 1939 in WG. He flew out of all the bases.
I first met him in 1945 when he was one of seven Captains flying the VR-QL
run on Lockheed Lodestars.
There were some tense moments in those early days on that run, what with
dealing with the terrain and the associated ice & thunderstorms. He spent
a large part of his career in UL flying to Europe etc. A considerable
portion of his service was in Flt\Ops Supervisory work. He will be fondly
remembered by those who knew as a kind,considerate man, friends with all
those he met.  <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Phil Pawsey just a trip in CF-TCC, here are his impressions -

Just had a great trip from YUL to YQM with Alan MacLeod in TCC.
Departed close to ETD with a few minutes delay due to last minute bathroom
visits, time enroute 2:15, TAS 137k at 7500', Avg G/S 172K Via Green 1.
Had an excellent view of the mountain at MLT (have forgotten the name
already) but saw where the walking trail begins (the one that goes all
the way to Atlanta Georgia), many of you have seen this hundreds of
times no doubt. I had the thrill of flying it straight and level (not
too straight and not too level for the first few minutes) for about 45
mins- needed some of your tips Murray. Had forgotten how noisy it was in
the cockpit and certainly appreciated the good headset. It was smooth
during the whole trip but had to ride in ecomony account both 1st.
class seats were taken up by brief cases, maps etc., but every seat in
the back had an aisle and window.
Cheers..  From: Phil Pawsey <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. George Brien has been following the mini-series on PBS about Heathrow LHR,

Just watched Airport part 2-  very interesting, especially about the
problems of the female "dispatcher". I can relate with having the same
problems but up to 12 flts an hour, not one.  (and dumping a full load
of psgrs off a 767 and their baggage, to be rechecked, when  cabin
count/ gate agent count disagreed) during the security concious days of
the early 80's.   Pulling the bridge so the crew couldnt get off when
creeping delays  might cause a bookoff  was another  ploy we used <g>
Looking forward to part 3  ---
cheers  From: George Brien <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Diane and Charlie Shnider recently took a walking tour in the UK, here
is their report for us -

We are finally back home and settling in. Our six week trip & hiking
tours of England in April and May were simply great. We did a week in
Cornwall at St. Ives with HF Holidays and a two week walking tour of
London, York and the Yorkshire Moors all arranged by a local Victoria
Tour Operator, Mind the Gap Tours. Both excellent.
Our tip for UK visitors who do not drive is take out a Seniors card,
50 and over, with National Express bus lines that gives one a 30% discount.
ie: Cheltenham to Stoke on Trent return for something like GBP15.00 pp.
One other excellent tip if you travel off season, go into any travel agent
and ask if there are any Shearings Bus Tours at Super-Saver prices.
We were in Nantwich in Cheshire and had to be in St. Ives but we had five
days in between.  Requested a tour to the south of England and picked up
a four night, five day tour to The Isle of Wight.  Regular price some
GBP189.00 for BGP105.00 per person. This worked out to be full board for
three of the five days at a once great hotel.  I asked if they had a bus
going to Plymouth and they moved us onto a Plymouth bus instead of
having to go back north or make our own way west to Cornwall.
The return National Express fare to St. Ives was something like GBP9.00 for
the two of us.
In essence, we were able to get the five day tour for close to the cost of
rail fare, one way,  Nantwich to St. Ives.
We will send you more information mentioning some of the better B&Bs on the
trip.    Charles and Diana Shnider  E Mail:  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Found on the internet.

MIR SOFTWARE INSTALLED AT NEW HONG KONG AIRPORT?
Not really, although the connection seems obvious after last week's
collision of an unspecified Cathay Pacific airliner with a jetway.
The collision was being blamed on the airport's automated guidance system
which is used to park incoming airliners next to the structures.
Bet they can't wait until 1-1-00.

CESSNA'S CITATIONJET PROTOTYPE BUYS THE SHOULDER...
Somebody's living right -- maybe all three Cessna engineering test
pilots who were aboard the company's original Model 525 CitationJet
prototype, N525CJ.  Their Experimental ride suffered a complete loss of
power on both engines July 9 during a test flight from Wichita's Mid-
Continent Airport.  The crew successfully landed their newfound glider
in the eastbound lanes of Kansas state route 96, a four-lane highway,
the crew -- was unhurt.
The crew avoided hitting an automobile traveling down K-96, touching down
with the left main and nose gear on the pavement, but with the right main
gear on the dirt shoulder, narrowly missing a drainage ditch. The initial
failure of the motorist to make way for the glidin' Citation, which the
driver apparently didn't see until the last minute, led one wag to suggest
the CJ's option list might be fattened a bit by adding an extra-loud horn. 
Investigators from the NTSB, FAA and Cessna quickly converged on the
scene, but it didn't take them long to determine the cause of the flame-
out: fuel exhaustion -- the tanks were dry as a bone.  Speculation on
the cause ranges from a miscalibrated non-standard gauging system to
thirstier engines than standard, or both.  Cessna quickly dispatched a
pumper truck to wash down the contaminated right engine and a Cessna
fuel truck then refueled the aircraft.  After a careful inspection, the
aircraft was permitted to take off from K-96 and fly to Mid-Continent.
(Empty fuel tanks - sound familier? - eds)

For the recent Soccar World Cup series, Air France, being the host nation's
flag carrier, painted some of its aircraft in special colours, 13 Airbus and
3 B747's each had two different countries depicted on their sides.
(The whole fleets probably sports the French colours now - eds)

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. Terry's travel tips.

Canadian Interline Travel -
Alaska Inside Passage -
Norwegian Wind - 7 days Glacier Bay Cruise from Vancouver return
Aug 10, 24 & 31st.
Inside from us$699 pp dbl, outside from us$799 pp dbl.
Caribbean Cruises -
Norwegian Wind - 7 night Western Caribbean cruise from Miami Oct, Nov, Dec
Inside from us$429 pp dbl outside from us$499 pp dbl.

Call 1-800-665-3100 fro details and mention Pionairs.

Dargal Interline Cruises -
NCL 'Norway' - European Cruise 12 nights departs Aug 11th thru Sep 28th
from London, Eng, calling at Hamburg, Oslo, Norway, Holland
and France to London.
Inside us$599 pp dbl, outside us$899 pp dbl,
Deluxe us$1099 pp dbl. Port/Govm't fees us$240 pp.

Call 1-800-690-3223 for details and mention Pionairs.

Following positive fares available from UK with Virgin Airways -
Johannesburg, South Africa GBP289
Athens, Greece             GBP159
Call Touchdown in the UK 01293-425000 for details.     

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. Smilie.
More comedy in the air from Jenn Callum.

"Good morning. As we leave Dallas, it's warm, the sun is shining, and the
birds are singing. We are going to Charlotte, where it's dark, windy and
raining. Why in the world y'all wanna go there I really don't know."

Pilot - "Folks, we have reached our cruising altitude now, so I am going to
switch the seat belt sign off. Feel free to move about as you wish, but
please stay inside the plane till we land... it's a bit cold outside, and
if you walk on the wings it affects the flight pattern."

And, after landing: "Thank you for flying Delta Business Express. We hope
you enjoyed giving us the business as much as we enjoyed taking you for a
ride."

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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