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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between

number 312   date Sept 23rd, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. Need to know.
Family Affair Selloffs (a little late!)
FLORIDA SELL-OFF EFFECTIVE 13AUG98
TRAVEL PERIOD: 01Sep98 - 30Sep98.
ALL Travel completed by 30SEP98.
VALID on non-stop flights only.
FARES: YUL-MIA/FLL/MCO CA$99 or US$75.
YYZ-MIA/TPA     CA$99 or US$75.
All other conditions are as per regular Family Affaire Program.

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. Ready for another story from Bill Norberg?
Continuation of the Viscount structure story.
The "GAG" cycle referred to in the wing spar deal had effects in another
area of the Viscount structure, namely the fuselage skin. Everytime the
aircraft took off and landed the aircraft went through a pressurization
cycle. This differential pressure applied over the total fuselage area
naturally applied stress and eventually fatigue forces throughout the
aircraft structure. The moisture condensation problems present in aircraft
due to the extreme temperature differentials adds another factor. Moisture
can build up in various areas and if the areas are not adequately treated
metal corrosion can occur. As corrosion is cumulative, the amount of
corrosion present will tend to increase with age of the aircraft.
This corrosion when combined with the "GAG" cycle created problems.

Throughout the life of the Viscount it became necessary to replace a number
of the fuselage skins for this reason. If the skins were not replaced the
maximum cabin pressure allowed would be reduced. This of course would
restrict the operation of the aircraft as well as affect the comfort level
for passengers at high altitude flight conditions. This again increased the
maintenance costs for this aircraft in its later years.

The introduction of the DC-9 aircraft provided an aircraft that was not
only more productive in terms of passengers and average speed but was less
costly to maintain. The DC-9 was designed and built with the concept of
"Maintainability" in mind and was to benefit from the lessons learned from
these early aircraft such as the Comet, Viscount, BAC-111 etc.
"Bill Norberg" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. From Olie & Mary Moore, President & Secretary Pionairs

Don Richardson has advised that Rhanda Spotton, Editor, Newsletter - AC
Pionairs USA is in hospital after having major surgery.
If anyone would like to get in touch with her she is in the:
New York Medical Centre,
56-45 Main St.
Flushing, NY  11355-5095
or at her home:  164-20 Highland Ave. #1-T  Jamaica, NY  11432
We are sure she would like to hear from her friends.
(Anyone responding may care to mention that you saw this appeal in the
Between Yourselves - NetLetter - eds)

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. When next visiting Victoria on Vancouver Island, take awhile to visit the
THE BRITISH COLUMBIA AVIATION MUSEUM
On July 17, 1988 the B.C.A.M. came into being.
It is located on the east side of Victoria International airport on Canora
Road across the street from Marys Bleue Moon Cafe. There are now 17 airplanes
in the collection, both military and civilian, from the first Canadian built
airplane to post World War II.
The organization is completely operated by volunteers including the Board
of Directors, cashiers and tour guides and as of August this year had 230
members.
At the present time two airplanes are being fully restored, a World War II
twin engine Avro Anson and a Nordyne Norseman. The Anson was used by the
R.C.A.F. as a pilot and navigator trainer, some flew here at Pat Bay during
the war, and the Norseman is an airplane designed for bush operations.
Many of them flew in and around B.C. during the 30sand 40s and some still
survive in northern Ontario carrying trappers and miners on exploration
trips.
Over and above the airplanes there is an artifact room and two photo
galleries.
Open to museum members only is a library of over 1300 books and texts of a
general and technical nature.
The museum is open every day of the year except Christmas and New Years
from 10.00  to 16.00 during the summer and 11.00 to 15.00 during the winter.
Group tours can easily be arranged by calling ahead of time. The price of
admission is $4.00 per person, $3.00 for seniors, children under 12 are free
when accompanied by a parent, group rates are $2.00 per person. Depending on
the number of questions a complete tour of the facility can be accomplished
in about 45 minutes. Cameras are welcomed at all times.
If anyone is interested in how these old airplanes are built, plan to
attend on any Thursday, which is the day when all the mechanics are there
doing their thing from 09.30 to 16.00.
William Fisher <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
(Bill Fisher is also Director Vancouver Island District Pionairs - eds)


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. Brian Dunn in Toronto sends these suggestions -

Air Band Radio Day -- Sunday,September 27th, Mississauga,On.
Meet at the Douglas parking lot off Airport Rd. with your cameras,
binoculars, and scanner radios.  Bring a lawn chair as well.

MEMORABILIA AND SWAP MEET SHOW -- SAT. OCTOBER 17TH, Mississauga,ON
Held at the Legion Hall on Derry Rd.,east of Airport Rd
from 1000 to 1530hrs.
Plan to be there with your collections of postcards, airline
timetables, models, photos, etc.  A great time to mingle with fellow
aviation enthusiasts.
Something a little different from all the Pionair Events.
"Brian Dunn" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Ron Munson sends us some news from the U.K. -

The contoversial BA tail-fin designs are being modified in the wake of
complaints from first  and business class passengers.  The airline has
admitted that the majority of their premium travellers did not like the
ethnic world images designs.

Airbus is to provide package delivery firm UPS with thirty A300F4-600Rs
with options on 30 more in a deal worth $6 billion.

KLM has become the first European carrier to buy the B737-900 plus eight
800 series jets.
Regards, Ron. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. John Hayes suggests the following url -
Subject: good aviation site

http://AIR-online.com/goto/Bookstore.shtml
and punch in "Air Canada" for some great Canadian titles including the
writings of George Lothian.
John Hayes jhayes <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. In NetLetter nr 311, Jogn Gallagher asked for info on the Desert aircraft -
Tom Grant tells us -
The URL you are after can be found via "Tom Grant's Aviation Links
/Part of the ACRA Website" <http://www.acra.ca/aviation> Go to GATE 2 and
under AIRLINES @ YVR you will find Air Canada's listing, there you will
find Desert Jets.
But I sure would like you to stay awhile and visit the Aviation Links site.
Cheers,  Tom Grant   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.
7 NIGHTS MEXICO RESORTS STAYS
From $125.us per person double

MEXICO    IXTAPA ZIHUATANEJO OCEAN IMPERIAL AT DOUBLE TREE IXTA    9/26/98
MEXICO    PUERTO VALLARTA       SUN CLUB&CONTINENTAL ZA.P.VALLARTA    9/26/98
MARINA DE ORO                    9/26/98
MARINA DE ORO                    10/3/98
MAYAN PALACE PUERTO VALLARTA            9/26/98
SUN CLUB/PZA.LAS GLORIAS P.VALLARTA    10/3/98
LINDO MAR RESORT                    9/26/98
LINDO MAR RESORT                 10/3/98
U.V.C. AT VILLA DEL PALMAR       10/3/98
MEXICO    NUEVO VALLARTA       MAYAN PALACE NUEVO VALLARTA          9/26/98
MAYAN PALACE NUEVO VALLARTA            10/3/98
MEXICO    TEQUISQUIAPAN       LA RINCONADA TEQUISQUIAPAN            10/2/98
For Reservations Call 1-800-665-3100 Today!! Mention Pionairs.



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. Smilies.
Owen Fitzgerald sends us some for you.
HOW OTHER NATIONS THINK IN ENGLISH
From an Air France bulletin, dated December 1, 1989
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Here are some signs and notices written in English that were
discovered throughout the world. You have to give the writers an
'E' for Effort.  We hope you enjoy them.
In a Tokyo Hotel:
Is forbidden to steal hotel towels please.  If you are not
a person to do such a thing is please not to read notis.
In a Bucharest hotel lobby:
The lift is being fixed for the next day.  During that time
we regret that you will be unbearable.
In a Leipzig elevator:
Do not enter lift backwards, and only when lit up.
In a Belgrade hotel elevator:
To move the cabin, push button for wishing floor.  If the
cabin should enter more persons, each one should press a
number of wishing floor.  Driving is then going alphabetically
by national order.
In an Austrian hotel catering to skiers:
Not to perambulate the corriders during the hours of repose
in the boots of ascension.
On the menu of a Swiss restaurant:
Our wines leave you nothing to hope for.
"Pat Fitzgerald" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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