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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 314   date Sept 27th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. We have received some enquiries regarding the receipt of emails from
a cruise line advertising their various products. You may be assured that
we at the NetLetter have NOT released out our membership lists to any
organisation, nor do we intend to.  Vesta and Terry.

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What's On and Where?
Compiled by Vesta our Chief Pilot -

Monday  September 28, 1998
Longboat, Florida ACRA  Tennis - Colony Beach Resort
Tuesday  September 29, 1998
Calgary Pionairs guided tour of Fort Calgary &
lunch at Deane House.  e-mail This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Longboat,Florida ACRA  Tennis - Colony Beach Resort.
Montreal Pionairs weekly Bowling League - Valois
Arena 62 Donegani Pte C Mary Timmons 514 626-3263.
Wednesday  September 30, 1998
St Catherines Pionairs and other retirees @10am Sweets &
Crepes Cafe on Ontario St at Lakeport.  A small
group of retirees meet up to solve some of the
world's problems. ALL retirees Welcome contact
Colin Bailey 935-3970
AIR CANADA'S DREAMS TAKE FLIGHT PROGRAM
see netlettrr # 286 for details.
Toronto Bus Trip to St Jacobs Area nl 241
Thursday  October 1, 1998
Montreal, C&SS RETIREES monthly Lunch
at Chenoy's Pte Claire
Walnut Creek, Ca.(SFO area),
U.S.PIONAIRS MEETING FALL 1998
Marriott Hotel, room $86. single or double $96
triple with full breakfast details nl 290
Friday  October 2, 1998
Ottawa,  Pionair KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM
Weekly, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping
Walnut Creek, Ca.(SFO area),
U.S.PIONAIRS MEETING FALL 1998
Saturday  October 3, 1998
Ottawa Pionairs Luncheon - The Mill - 555 Ottawa
Parkways $16pp. Theme 'Dreams Take Flight'
Jess Rougeau 841-7091
Walnut Creek, Ca.
U.S.PIONAIRS MEETING FALL 1998
Sunday  October 4, 1998
Nanoose, Van Isle "Prestwick Close Golf Tourney" at
Fairwinds G&CC, Ralph Tisdall Fax/Tel
250=338=5788  email  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Walnut Creek,Ca.
U.S.PIONAIRS MEETING FALL 1998

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. Help!
Joe Lee is looking for some information -
Subject: duty free
Hi, My wife and I are traveling to Man from YYZ and it has been 8 years
since we went overseas,  Years ago when we checked in at YYZ they
took our luggage and gave us temporary boarding passes to get thru
security  . We then stopped at duty free and proceeded to the gate for
standby.  Can anyone tell me if this is still the same, we would hate to
miss out on duty free now with the pound at what it is.   Many thanks
Joe Lee YSB This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. More info on the Desert Jets we mentioned in NetLetter nr 311 & 312 -
Alan Rust tells us -

Actually, I was wondering about it myself as I was looking for the Desert
AC when I visited Arizona in April. As noted below, I was refused entry to
the Pinal Air Park. Following the directions Tom Grant takes us to the
images but the URL for the pages and text below is:
http://members.aol.com/airnikon/dezjets.htm
Even then, he doesn't say exactly where the AC aircraft are located....
The following is the text found on the above link.
http://members.aol.com/airnikon/dezjets.htm
A photo gallery of jets parked at desert airports in various stages of
storage, conversion, and/or dismantlement. Primarily B-707s and DC-8s at
Marana (MZJ), Davis-Monthan AFB (DMA), Mohave (MHV), and Las Vegas (LAS).
Most pics were shot in the mid-Eighties before competition heated-up and
everybody got paranoid.
The shots at Evergreen Air Center in Marana (near Tucson, Arizona) would
not have been possible without the assistance of one Arnold "Schnozz" Mayer.
A truly cool dude, he ran the place. Sadly, The Schnozz isn't with us
anymore, and Pinal Air Park is sealed-up tighter than Tupperware!
Davis-Monthan (also in Tucson) used to have an all-day tour on the second
Saturday of each month, but I don't think they still do. D-M does conduct free
public tours weekly on Mondays and Wednesdays at 0900 and 1030. It's a
narrated tour that takes about an hour (no comparison to the eight-hour
marathon they used to have).
Mohave? Forget it! They are unfriendly and very uncooperative!
If you're ever in the Phoenix/Tucson area, the Pima Air & Space Museum is
right across the street from Davis-Monthan and has just about anything on
display, inside and out.
The Arizona Spotter's Page is an excellent source for info about "what's
where" and "where to go" in the Desert Southwest. Check it out!
The airlines listed represent the last recognizable operator, and not
necessarily the owner of the aircraft at the time the picture was taken.
CYA, Alan Rust, Email: mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Message from John Gallagher who asked about the airplane graveyard
in NetLetter 311
Hi there, Between Yourselves NetLetter readers,
Can you place a "thank you" note from me.
I asked about old transports and receive at least two dozen replies.
I now have more than enough information to write a dozen novels.
My novel is about my 40 years as a pilot with Air Canada and my 30 years
as an Aircraft Accident Investigator.... and you are all in it!.... so
you will have to buy it! Thank you all.
John Gallagher, The Gallaghers in Inglewood, Ontario. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(We hope to hear some snippits from John later - eds)

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. Here's a bio from Don Muir -
I started with TCA in what was called Div 5 ,mtce Nov. 51 at YWG. Because
of rapid expansion in that div. I was a Lead Mechanic by '53 and before it
closed in the summer of '55  a temporary Asst.. Foreman. While waiting for
a call to the permanent staff I went North as a flight engineer on a Canso.
The flying at first was on the Mid Canada Line(RADAR) out of railway
distribution points ,The Pas and Moosonee, to sites along the 50th parallel.
Latter on the DEW line we flew out of sea lift points(Millville Pen. and
Frobisher) to sites near bodies of water but no runways yet. Flying south
from north of 65 to keep ahead of freeze up we ended summer flying in Oct
at YWG.
Speaking about freeze up, on departing Moosonee I had to climb out
on the cat walk to scrape the ice off the props as the river was warmer
than the air.(wish I could hang out in mid air like that now) This
excursion north cost me my call back to TCA as I was unavailable. So off to
the north again by Christmas, with a C47 bought from TCA. We changed a few
things for flying  north of '65(don't all mtce dept change things). One of
the changes was the oil tanks, we wanted the originals to facilitate oil
dilution(for the Arctic). The long and short of it was that out over the
Hudson Bay I learned very quickly why the TCA tanks (which needed only 12
gal oil) had de-aerating baffles installed , both engine oil  low
pressure lights were starting to flash. No problem deciding which engine to
shut down, with two lights flashing and only two engines to choose from-
Keep on trucking.
Once safely on the ground we went back to the original quantities of oil
for that tank.
Sorry, this is supposed to be about TCA-A/C- well the C47 was a TCA
aircraft.
After a short sojourn with Canada's other national carrier  as a
maintenance engineer(licensed mechanic) I returned home to TCA as a flight
engineer on the Connie in 1957. Based in YUL and YVR ,I contacted polio in
the spring of 1960, so ended my flying.
I was off pay-roll for three months. I don't mention that for a pity party
but because if any of this bio is sent out I would like to let people know
how people help people.
A fund was set up for me, and the flight engineers from YUL and YVR along
with the pilots and flight attendants from YVR that I had flown, with
donated money so that I did not go behind during those months off pay-roll.
Sept. '60 saw me starting back to work in dispatch at YVR. There was an
opening for an asst. dispatcher in YWG , so off we went. In 1968 there was
an opening for a dispatcher in YUL so off we went again.
Times change and so did dispatch. Consolidation of dispatch to one office
began in 1977 and off we went again, this time to YYZ. While in YYZ  I was
involved with the Dispatcher's Association. Another learning experience.
There is the technical side of consolidation and there is the human side
that needs adjusting to as well.
I retired in the spring of 1990, and stayed on in Brampton. Quite something
for a Westerner, raised to hate the CPR and Bay/St.James St. Now here I am
in Upper Canada. 
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. News from the Districts -

In NetLetter nr 294 Sheila Moscoe told us they were starting T2 Coffee
Klatches for airport sales retirees at Toronto. Sheila sends this update -
Well, about a dozen people showed up for the T2 coffee klatch.
Unfortunately, I was out of town before and after so I couldn't jump on
the band wagon and remind the pionairs about it.  However, those who
attended had a great time and even stayed for lunch.  We are looking
forward to our second get together on the 6th October.  I will be in
town and will  get on the phone and remind everyone.  So thanks for
asking, and thanks for putting the info in the netletter.  It is greatly
appreciated.  I would like to thank Nellie Collins, Maureen Screen and
Dona Brydges (yes, one "N") for helping out in my absence.
Sheila  Reply-To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.
Dargal Specials -
China Land Tours 8 DAY REGAL BEIJING SPECIAL
Escorted Full Package.  Departs Mondays from Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Walk the Great Wall Tour the Forbidden City Visit Tiananmen Square
ALSO Includes:  The Temple of Heaven, a visit to Hutong
to view the ancient look of Beijing, a delicious Peking Duck dinner,
great shopping at bargain prices and much more !
INCLUDES
Round trip airfare via Air China from Vancouver, B.C.
First Class Hotel Accommodations and Surcharges
3 Meals Daily
Guided Comprehensive Sightseeing (Seat-in Coach)
Admissions, Cultural Show and Ground Transportation
Based on Twin Sharing
As Low as $1399 Canadian*
Tour cost does not include Canadian Tax $30
and China Visa Fee $50 per person,
airport departure, tax, travel insurance
and miscellaneous charges.
Land Only does not include entry/exit transfers

OR
9 DAY REGAL BEIJING SPECIAL
Escorted Full Package
Departs Vancouver, November 2nd, 16th and 30th 1998
Walk the Great Wall Tour the Forbidden City Visit Tiananmen Square
ALSO Includes:
The Temple of Heaven, Rickshaw ride to Hutong to view the
ancient look of Beijing, a Peking Duck dinner,
Christmas shopping at the famous Silk Alley at unbelievable bargain prices.
You can even dance at the Hard Rock Cafe and More!
INCLUDES
Round trip airfare via Canadian Airlines from Vancouver, B.C.
based on double occupancy, 7 nights 4-Star Hotel Accommodations &
surcharge, daily meals, guided comprehensive sightseeing, admissions,
ground transportation & baggage handling.
As Low as $1699 Canadian*
Optional Extensions at 4 Star Hotels
Tour cost does not include Canadian Tax $30, China Visa Fee $50 per person,
airport departure, tax, travel insurance and tipping.
Land Only does not include entry/exit transfers.
Call  1-800-690-3223 for details and mention Pionairs.

Canadian Interline has these specials -
Unheard of Interline Rates for Christmas on Royal Caribbean!
ALSO OTHER GREAT RATES FOR NEW YEARS, EARLY 1999, & BERMUDA!

***Christmas Specials***

Monarch of the Seas - 7 Night Southern Caribbean - 12/20/98 
Rates starting at $799.00pp including port charges!!!
Majesty of the Seas - 7 Night Western Caribbean - 12/20/98
Rates starting at $1099pp (outside cabin) including port charges!!!
Splendour of the Seas - 10 Night Southern Caribbean - 12/16/98
Rates starting at $1099pp including port charges!!!
Legend of the Seas - 11 Night Hawaii Cruise - 12/19/98
Rates starting at $1599pp (outside cabin) including port charges!!!
***NEW YEARS SPECIAL***
Legend of the Seas - 10 Night Hawaii Cruise - 12/30/98
Rates starting at $1099pp including port charges!!!
***BERMUDA SPECIAL*** ON CELEBRITY CRUISES
Zenith - 7 Night Bermuda Cruise from New York - Oct. 3, 10, & 17
Rates starting at $699pp (Cat. 4-8 Outside cabin) Including port charges!
***1999 10 Night Southern Caribbean Special***
Splendour of the Seas - 10 Night Southern Caribbean - 1/6/99
Rates starting at $979pp Best Available inside cabin including port
charges!!!!
HURRY!  If at all interested, please call to hold space because these rates
will not last long.
All prices in US$ pp dbl.
For Reservations Call 1-800-665-3100 Today!! mention Pionairs too!

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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