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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 316   date Oct 4th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. WHAT'S ON AND WHERE.
(Compiled by Vesta)
Monday  October 5, 1998
Halifax Pionairs Bowling 1pm monthly Bayers
Bowloramas..Oct 5th is  1st of the season.
Nanoose, Van Isle "Prestwick Close Golf Tourney" at
Fairwinds G&CC, Ralph Tisdall Fax/Tel250=338=5788
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Tuesday  October 6, 1998
**NEW** Mississauga, ON T2 Coffee Klatch for
retirees of airport sales- the Gold Griddle,
Airway Centre, 5559  Airport Rd, Mississauga,
free parking 11 AM Shiela Moscoe This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Calgary Pionairs Guided  tour of Aero Space Museum
e-mail        This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Edmonton Pionairs Coffee &  Chat - Smitty's Lounge,
Kingsway Garden Mall 10  am
Kelowna/Vernon Pionairs monthly 10am Coffee&Chat
at Muffin Break.
Montreal Pionairs wkly  Bowling League - Valois
Arena 62 Donegani Pte C Mary Timmons 514626-3263.
Nanoose, Van Isle "Prestwick Close Golf Tourney" at
Fairwinds G&CC, Ralph Tisdall see above
Penticton monthly 10:am Coffee&Chat at Tim Hortons Cherry Lane
Shopping Mall
Wednesday  October 7, 1998
Halifax monthly Lunch  Armdale Yacht Club
Nanoose, Van Isle "Prestwick Close Golf Tourney" see above at
St Catherines Pionairs/and Retirees @10am Sweets &
Crepes Cafe on Ontario St at Lakeport.
Victoria Van Isle, Fall lunch at McMorrans Restaurant at
11:30am.  Price $16.00 pp
Guest Speaker OLIE MOORE, Pionair President
Friday  October 9, 1998
Ottawa,  Pionair KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM
Weekly, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping

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. Need to know.

Effective Oct 1st until Sept 30th 1999 the US domestic tax applied to
our passes is 8% plus us$2.00 per leg
(and that's not the human kind of leg either! - eds)

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. B747's.
Further to the report in NetLetter nr 315 re the withdrawal of the
B747 aircraft, Dennis Brown sends us this -
A small side bar to your note on 304 being retired.
The aircraft is at the base at YUL and the wide body guys have painted
3 very large tears descending from the Captain's side window to a very
unhappy mouth just under the left side forward cabin windows.
The story is that the aircraft will be parted out. (chopped up).
Dennis Brown   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Air Canada will be selling off 747-133 (C-FTOE) this week.  It is
scheduled to operate YYZ-FRA-YYZ Oct 3/4th, then be towed to the paint
hangar at YYZ tomorrow night to have titles and logo painted out.  It
will then ferry to Montreal on October 5th for -400 seat conversion for
new customer.  Rumour is that it will be going to Evergreen
International, but that is not confirmed at this point.  The last
remaining 747-133 in service (C-FTOC) is expected to be withdrawn by
mid-October.
"Brian Dunn" This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. News from the districts -
From Don Hancock - Director Vancouver BC Pionairs -
Subject: AC YVR Pionairs Fall Luncheon September 23/98
It was considered a very successful and enjoyable event as 125 Pionairs
joined together in a Happy Hour/Meet and Greet session prior to a the
luncheon.
Ollie & Mary Moore, our National President and Secretary were unable to
attend for obvious reasons, however their greetings and good wishes were
extended via email and the chair.
Our special guests were Pat Crothers, DSM Holland America Cruise Line and
Westours Inc., and husband Mel, (Signature Vacations).
Pat's address was extremely interesting, as well as the video featuring
Holland America Cruising and the building and transiting of the Panama Canal.
Following the address many prizes were awarded the lucky ticket holders and
the meeting  concluded at 1415.
A special questionaire was distributed to all attendees asking for members
input relative to future YVR  Pionair activities and programs for 1998 and
1999.
All members have been apprised of the Canada Pionair AGM scheduled for
April 26/27/28/1999.
The YVR Pionair Spring Luncheon Date is Sunday April 28, 1999 at the
Richmond Inn.     From: Don Hancock This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

From the Ottawa district -
Maria and Helmut Hemmerich sends this update -
Dream Takes Flight Sept 30th:
68 children and 22 companions and 2 doctors left for Florida early, early on
Wednesday morning and returned  at mid-night  the same day.
The plane used was a A319, flying time 2hrs. 45 min.
The expenses, for the flight, were around $17,000.
The Pionairs involvement was nil for this flight, however there is always
next year.
Helmut & Maria.     This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Help!
Klaus Stahl looking for some help -
We are planning to travel to Australia/New Zealand in November 1998.
Can anyone give us advice on the best (least expensive, most direct) flights
from North American to Auckland or Sydney, and on air travel within
Australia itself? Right now we are under the impression that for flights
WITHIN Australia retired employees get no discount at all. Even the
Boomerang fares, i.e. discount fares available to everyone, appear expensive
compared to the discounts we usually enjoy. - We are aware of Air New
Zealand's  discount, but they do not fly within Australia.
If someone has been to Australia/New Zealand within the past 12 months,
any other travel hints re hotel discounts etc. would also be appreciated.
"Klaus Stahl" email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Mitch Mitchell sends this information -
Subject: Swissair 111
Thought some of you readers might be interested in this Net site on
Swissair 111 crash, it is a local developed site, the URL is:
http://www.aaaac.org/

Subject: Pier 21 Halifax
Had a call from Cathy McCann (ex Customer Service Agent) who arrived in
Canada through Pier 21, she thought that there might be others in the
Pionairs who also arrived in Canada via Pier 21 that would be interested in
the Web site, this would also include any veteran, War Bride who might have
passed throught Pier 21 in Halifax. The URL is:
http://www.ednet.ns.ca/educ/heritage/pier21/
All the best. Mitch This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Our eagle-eyed Chief Pilot of the NetLetter found these items -
JETSON-LIKE COMMUNICATIONS AIRCRAFT
A new aircraft called High Altitude Long Operation-Proteus is designed
to circle for hours some 50,000 feet high over major cities, functioning
like a communications relay satellite does in space and carrying
broadband wireless services, including high-speed Internet access and
video- teleconferencing. A region might receive 24-hour service from a
fleet of three planes, each flown by two-man crews on eight-hour shifts,
with each aircraft flying fixed patterns providing coverage to an area
75 miles in diameter. Industry analyst Jeffrey Kagan says, "I knew it
wouldn't be too long before the Jetsons became reality. In the next
several years, you will see truckloads of methods for delivering high
speed methods of data to homes and offices." (San Jose Mercury
News 23 Sep 98)

FREE INTERNET SERVICE IN THE U.K.
British consumer electronics retailer Dixons Group and
telecommunications firm Energis are teaming up to provide a free
Internet service to citizens in the U.K. Users will not be required to
pay any registration or usage fees, but will be charged $1.68 a minute
for technical support. The move is expected to force other Internet
service providers in that country to reevaluate their pricing
structures.    (Wall Street Journal 23 Sep 98)

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. Time for another story from Bill Norberg -
Subject: The L-1011 and ground spoilers.
The tragic loss of the DC-8 in YYZ in 1970 due to inadvertant deployment of
ground spoilers in flight was to have repercussions when it was time for
the MOT to provide type certification for the L-1011 in Canada. The MOT was
very concerned about what had happened to the DC-8 and were determined to
use the power of their office to bring about whatever was necessary to
prevent future such incidents. We had a number of meetings with our
technical specialists and theirs to discuss what could or should be
done. The matter as we saw it was one of adherence to established and
approved procedures rather than an interlock or mechanical method to
prevent such deployment.

One could take their thinking to such actions as fuel shut-off valves or
even shutting down engines in flight. Those actions are often necessary but
no one would intentionally use them in an inappropriate manner. In any
event their concern was raised when they learned that the use of ground
spoilers in flight was a fundamental part of the auto approach system of
the L-1011. It was called  "Direct Lift Control"  or DLC and was a method by
which the aircraft in an auto approach configuration  was maintained on the
correct glide slope.

Normally this action was carried out by the autopilot where any deviation
from the proper glide slope sent a signal to the autopilot elevator servo
to apply a corrective action and restore the aircraft to the correct
position. This tended to make an aircraft "porpoise" or hunt somewhat about
the proper glide slope angle. In the DLC system the ground spoilers were
deployed to a 10 degree angle before engaging the auto approach system. Any
deviation from the proper glide slope now fed a signal to the ground
spoiler actuator and either increased or decreased the ground spoiler
angle. As the ground spoiler angle increased the wing lost some lift...as
it decreased it increased wing lift. This had the effect of moving the
aircraft vertically up or down rather than in a cyclic hunting fashion.
This tended to keep the aircraft tightly coupled to the glide slope with
minimum hunting action. It was a great system.

The MOT were not convinced and we had to take a number of their key people
to the Lockheed plant at Palmdale California for a test flight and
demonstrations by the Lockheed staff. We used the L-1011 aircraft being used
for certification tests by Lockheed. It was equipped with extensive
instrumentation as well as water tanks throughout the cabin to permit
testing at various C of G configurations. There were only seats at the front
of the aircraft for about 10 people. It also had an escape chute from the
cockpit area down through one of the lower cargo doors which could be
activated under emergency conditions. We were each assigned a parachute and
given instructions about how to exit.

It was a fascinating flight and the MOT staff were given an excellent
demonstration of the DLC system and its capabilities. Our problems were
over as far as certification were concerned. It was interesting to note that
during that flight the aircraft flew in excess of Mach .9 for the first
time as well. 
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. Found on the internet.

SAS is to sign a marketing agreement with Singapore Airlines that
could pave the way for the Asian carrier to enter the Star Alliance.
However, Singapore Airlines had no immediate plan to enter Star.
The Asian carrier already has a similar agreement with Lufthansa,
one of the founding carriers of the Star Alliance

AIRCRAFT ORDERS
Venezuela's Aserca has disclosed plans to buy five MD-90s and two B737-800s.

Iberia of Spain (IB) has placed an order for six A340-300 aircraft
and took options for five more. The aircraft will replace ageing DC-10s.

German carrier Lufthansa (LH) has exercised options for six A319s.
The aircraft will join 20 A319s already in service with the airline.
Lufthansa has another 14 options left for the aircraft type.

Australia's National Jet Systems (NC) has purchased two ERJ-145s from
Embraer and took options for two more.

Dutch Leasing company Debis AirFinance is to order two A319 aircraft.

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. Terry's travel tips.

US airlines are now required to ask international passengers for the
name and telephone number of a next-of-kin whom to contact in
case of necessity. Passengers do not have to provide the
information but the airlines will have to have a system in place to
collect the information. The obligation stems from the difficulty
TWA had in locating relatives of some of Flight 800's victims.

Carnival Cruise Line - 1 week Special

-  from $755 US pp/dbl
- 7 nights in the Caribbean on the Carnival Inspiration
- Air from Vancouver, BC - All Gratuities
November 1,8,15,22,29, 1998
San Juan, St. Thomas, Guadeloupe, St. Lucia, Grenada,
Santo Domingo, San Juan
Interliners, Parents Welcome, Friends Welcome!
All Rates pp/dbl, subject to availability, new bookings only.
Port Charges/Gov't fees additional
In a hurry? Call 1-800-690-3223 and mention Pionairs

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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