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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between

number 317   date Oct 8th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. The following has been received from Dargal Interline Cruises & Tours -

I am writing regarding a situation that arisen regarding an email broadcast
that left this office. There are two area that we need to address:
1. I would request that you inform your members in the Between Yourselves
Netletter, that anyone who does NOT wish to receive emails from DARGAL
regarding hot cruise buys, please contact us by email and we will remove
them from our email list.   If  someone is not on our email list and would
like to receive timely updates on hot cruise buys, please contact
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

2. An attachment to an email broadcast caused technical difficulties to some
recipients. We apologize for that. It was not our intention to inconvenience
anyone,  I understand it has been particularly difficult for Mr. Ron Munson
in the UK, the European web setup being different from North America.

We receive many email notes thanking us for keeping in touch in a
timely manner and we do not wish to have anyone on our email list who does
not wish to be there. We certainly appreciate the Air Canada retirees and
hope to continue to have a good working relationship.
Thanks for you assistance in this regard.
Sincerely, Carol

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. We welcome more of you -
Sharon Lysek retired Customer Services Manager US Region - Tampa, now
living in Mateo, CA, USA. email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Bernard Miles with email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Creighton Sargeant retired Mgr. Properties & Facilities Admin. lives
in Oakville, ON. email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Michael Lezama, he joined the airline in 1970 retired in 1993
as General Manager, Passenger Sales & Service, Atlantic Region.
Mike and his wife Margaret reside in Dartmouth, N.S.
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Lost touch with Dan Moss - try his new email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Al Thompson sends us his bio -
I live in Mississauga Ont.
I retired from Air Canada on Apr/94 after spending 35 very happy years with
the company. I joined  Trans-Canada Air Lines  Jul/59 in Prestwick Scotland
in the commissary department, after four years there I transferred to sales
in both PIK and GLA. In Dec/70 I was successful in obtaining a transfer to
Flt Ops scheduling in YYZ, at that time we scheduled  both pilots and IFS,
when these departments divided I decided to join IFS, there I remained as a
Flight Att. supervisor/OBM until my retirement.
I have been asked, when required to do consultant work for World Duty Free
In Flight (they are responsible for AC boutique sales on board) this is
apart from my business as courier in which I travel approx 350 k a day all
over Ont.     Al  Thomson  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
PS:  Katwoman is my daughters e-mail address  which I am using...

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. News from the districts -
The Vancouver Island District held their Fall Luncheon on Oct 7th, emceed
by the Director Bill Fisher to am appreciative crowd of 80 Pionairs and
guests which included 4 from Vancouver, 2 from Langley and several from
'Up Island', together with a group from the Maple Wings Vancouver Dogwood
Chapter.
Names of some of the Pionairs you may remember include Kitch Olson,
Ernie Olson, Edgar Farthing, Saville & June Hambleton, Cec & Arlene
McCulloch, Norm Stoddart, Leo Goulet, Sheldon Doskie, Fred & Monique Coyle,
Ernie & Lois North, Mr & Mrs Jack Somerset.
Bill Fisher entertained us with a variety of jokes before we enjoyed the
roast beef lunch. Guest speaker was Olie Moore, National President of
Pionairs who told us the tale of the 1st B747 for Air Canada being
accepted at the Boeing factory at Renton. This aircraft was being used
for publicity purposes, but the cost of hiring professional 'passengers'
was more than the budget allowed. Roy McCormack, National Treasurer for
Pionairs was the rep. at that time and came up with an idea. It seemed
that     a local golf club was expanding its facilities but were short of
money, so      they agreed to have 200 or so of their members act as
passengers for the
photographs in exchange for a donation towards their future plans.
(Olie did not say if the 'passengers' got Aeroplan points for that!- eds)
Olie informed us that -
attempts are being made to form two more districts of Pionairs,
one in Newfoundland and another at Sydney/Grace Bay.
The decision to hold the 1999 AGM in Vancouver was, originally, due to
the most favourable costs after an indepth review of the offers from
Anaheim. With the unfavourable exchange rate now prevailing it would
appear that the decision was the correct one. The accommodation cost
for Vancouver is ca$127.00 per night and is good 3 days ahead and 3
days       after the AGM to allow for those who wish to stay longer.
The package for the 1999 AGM is due to be mailed mid January.
The company has agreed to print the new Travel Booklet, and this is
planned to be mailed to all retirees by early November. Updates will
be via the Horizons.
In closing, Bill Fisher reminded us that the Christmas Lunch will be at
the Dunsmuir Lodge on Thursday Dec 10th. Cost ca$20.00 pp.

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. Ron Munson sends us the latest skuttlebutt from the UK -
It is reported that 25% of BA gold cardholders prefer to fly with other
airlines though BA would not confirm press reports that it had lost GBP50m
in revenue because long-haul business passengers are switching to rival
airlines in search of a better service.

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. This from Norm Stoddart -
Recently you added another retiree to the list, Stu Muirhead,
(email  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.). Shortly after I contacted him to
renew our old friendship in YUL and, as we were planning a trip through
Penticton, arranged to get together at that time.
On Sept 13 he had a severe stroke and is now recovering slowly in
Penticton General Hospital. It was quite a shock when we arrived on the 27th
to meet him to find that he was in the hospital and not the restaurant for
dinner.
I pass this info on to any of his friends either in the valley or YUL.
Best regards   Norm Stoddart   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(We hope that friends of Stu will send him some email - eds)

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. Found on the internet.
ALFRED HITCHCOCK, REVISITED:
Airline flights get delayed for any of a number of reasons, but this is
one takes the suet.
A small bird flew into the cockpit of a UAL plane last week as the crew
was completing preps prior to pushback on a Dulles-London run.
No flight of fancy, this, the bird managed to hide in the Boeing 777-200's
electrical panel.
It took 2 1/2 hours to de-bird the plane after which the airline decided
to change planes, apparently wanting to play it safe in case the little
fella had pecked on some important part.  Let this be a lesson to all of
you would-be stowaways.  Don't try to play it cheep.

WOULD YOU STOP BUGGING ME:
It's always something: screaming babies, hygienically challenged seatmates,
what gives?  The passengers of one recent Delta ATL to SFO flight were
really and truly bugged.
Cockroaches, a "handful" of `em, were spotted by pax and crew near the
food service area.  The pilot bugged out, refusing to fly the bird.
Flight 217 was delayed for three hours.  Said a Delta spokesperson,
"We're obviously not going to accept anything less than a pest-free plane."

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. After reading the story of the Viscount structure from Bill Norberg,
Bill Sim sent this message to Bill Norberg, but feel sure he would want
to share it -
Hi Bill,
Maybe you could tell them the story, about how the insulation was applied
to the skin of the Viscount when we received them from England.  I remember
it well, the adhesive was red in colour, I still believe that this was the
same substance the I used in The R.A.F. for anti-corrosive treatment on
metallic parts.
We called this material 663. In the R.A.F. I was a M.T.M.
Motor Transport Mechanic. While I was with 90 M.U. I was assigned to the
Anti-corrosive unit, I have forgotten the name of the town it was between
Preston and Blackpool,(just remembered the name it was Warton ), some very
good nights at The Blackpool Tower.
I remember well, that to inspect the aircraft skin from the inside of the
aircraft, we had to remove the fibre glass insulation. As the English would
say "we build them, you maintain them", anyway it was a tough job with lots
of solvents around. It's a wonder we didn't blow the aircraft apart, one
spark and the crew and the aircraft would have been gone.  We were a happy
bunch singing and laughing enjoying the job. We did not know that we were
doped up from the solvents we were using, in those days we only smoked
cigarettes.
Bill, thanks for the memory. If my story is a little mixed up, we can blame
it on some of the fumes that maybe are still in my system from the old
Viscount days in Winnipeg. Maybe you would like to check out how the carpet
were stuck to the aircraft floor, before double-sided adhesive tape, of
course. This was all changed by the same guys, before the spar job.
I was there, Bill Sim. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.
Visit the Orient -
Bangkok 6 days/4 nights hotel accommodation from us$389 pp dbl
includes round trip space available Northwest.
Beijing 5 days/3 nights departs Thursdays from us$859 pp dbl
includes round trip space available Northwest,
hotel accommodations, transfers, 1/2 day tour Tiananmen
Square, forbidden City and full day tour Ming Tombs and
the Great Wall (includes lunch).
add option to Xian 3 days/2 nights includes tranfers, accommodation
full day tour of the terra Cotta Warriors. From us$379 pp dbl.
Call 1-800-422-3727 for more details.

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. Smilie.

SHORT FINAL...
Y'know, we've got to get our kids out more.  As evidenced by this tale -
After completing a flight lesson for the day, the guy asked the instructor
if he could give his 12-year-old son his first ride in an airplane. 
The instructor being a genuine promoter of general aviation (and a good
friend), the youngster got his first ride in the left seat.
After landing, the instructor asked his young charge how he liked the ride,
to which he exclaimed, "Wow!  Just like the flight simulator on my computer,
only the graphics are a whole lot better!"

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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