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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 336   date Dec 12th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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This is our last NetLetter for 1998 - hope everyone has a Happy Christmas
and we wish you all the very best for 1999. - Vesta & Terry.

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. Welcome to Bill Callum who lives in Saint John, NB and retired in 1987 from
aircraft maintenance after 33 years.
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Ron Barber retired and living in Unionville, On.
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. News from the Districts.
Subject: Halifax Pionairs
Hi: The following from Charlie Stock:
Due to the closing of Armdale Yacht Club for the month of January,
there will be no January meeting, the next meeting will be the first
Wednesday in February, the 3rd.
Also a very successful Christmas Party was held at the Armdale Yacht,
their were about 70 in attendance, down slightly from last year.
Olie Moore attended the party, he was enroute home from Sydney, where a
new Pionairs group was formed. Mitch  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Subject: Montreal District Pionairs.
131 Montreal Pionairs and guests  held their Christmas dinner Dec.3rd
& elected Pam Rosholt to succeed  Herb Guilfoyle as regional director
for 2 years.
Sam Gatelaro, has donated one of his painting for the last six or seven
years (I'm the one that has to pry the painting from him, he's easy)
and the lucky winner  Mrs Sheila Reynard.  Sheila's husband Russ has been a
long time worker for the Montreal Pionairs.
We got $501.00 from the 131 that attended our dinner, I figured it about
$3.80 per head, who said that Air Canada people are cheap.
Apart from Dreams take Flight. The Montreal District's, original adopted
charity is still, The West Island Volunteer Bureau. A part from the 501
dollars that was donated, to this add approximately 90 Christmas wrapped
gifts for seniors.
FYI I recently had a call from our new Director Pam Rosholt, asking me to
go and help sell some Dreams take Flight, clothing tee shirts, etc.,
this took place Dec 11th at the Dorval Maintenance Base cafeteria.
Take care Bill S. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.



Bob Carson and his wife Esther recently attended the Dorval C&SS retirees
monthly 'Bored meeting', these are his comments -
We went out to lunch today at Chenoy's (that is where they serve Smoked
Meat remember that) with the group from C&SS.
They meet every first Thursday and I do attend when in town. I'll give
you a little nostalgia there was a good turnout today - Kal Kalonowski,
Gilbert Gibson, Gord Henkle, Eric Lalonde (who is my neighbour),
Bonnie Alexander, Mavis & Lois Morrison and Monica & Bob Belding.
Andy McCready and Ed Mason usually attend but were not there today.
R. H. (Bob) Carson" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

TCA Alumni -
The Alumni was >very nice and wonderful to see old friends again. A
very small turn out this year only 43.
We know there are are a few people not well enough to travel also the
Canadian dollar is for the pitts but we sure need some support.
We hope this is not the last year.
The new president Mary Emmerson is going to send out a  letter with some
suggestions and hope all the members will answer.
Thanks again Mary Ryder   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(We do not have an email for Mary Emmerson, but any enquiries could go
through Mary Ryder - eds)

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. Final part of the story found by Vesta, part 1 was in NetLetter nr 335 -
Airlines Soc team make schedule work no matter what.
By PETER FITZPATRICK

Meanwhile, SOC staff through out the room are busy carrying on with
their routine tasks. Overseeing cargo is Ross Leighton, who is doing
calculations for ferrying two 6,500 kg engines to London. There
are a whole range of items, from horses to radioactive material,
that moves by plane. Recently, Air Canada shipped 27,000 kg of
Toblerone chocolate from Zurich. Across the way at another cubicle,
Erwin Wagner, in the load and balance section, is calculating
how a plane in Phoenix should be loaded. Each plane needs to be
balanced like a teeter totter, without too much weight forward or
aft, he says. Thus each piece of luggage and cargo is loaded on a
pallet that is assigned a place in the hold and the instructions are
then sent to the ground crew in Phoenix. The level of detail on the
screen is impressive, including a note that there's a "live puppy"
on board. Next, Mr. Wagner has to calculate the amount of fuel to
load in the plane's various tanks. The key is to have enough fuel,
but not too much because any surplus is extra weight that has to be
carried and reduces fuel efficiency. Another factor in the fuel
calculation is the weather and headwinds the plane can expect to
encounter en route. Over at another panel of computers, Larry
Babcock calls up North American weather patterns on his screens
and feeds the information to route planners. These same computers
can also show real time air traffic, and with a point and click of
his computer mouse, he can pinpoint and identify any plane larger
than a Cessna aloft anywhere in the world. Meanwhile, over in
operations control, SOC officials are re jigging a London departure
to give the delayed Delhi plane time to make a connection. As well,
the weather is worsening in Thunder Bay, making it increasingly
dicey to send a DC-9 into the storm. To remedy the dilemma, Drew
Tapson types a series of commands into the various keyboards
before him to replace a DC-9 designated for the route with a larger
Airbus A319. But the Montreal-Toronto jet, which is due to leave
within two hours, is still doubtful because of its technical
problems. Suddenly, Doug Platt in maintenance control hangs up the
phone and announces the plane is available. Its problem, a clogged
lavatory, has been fixed. Mr. Bredt doesn't crack a smile, but
continues to survey the room. "These are one of the few guys in the
airline who I'm happy to see sitting back with their feet up on the
desk because when they're hammering on their keyboards that means
we've got some problems," he says.
Financial Post.

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. Remember when?
From the Between Ourselves 1967 courtesy of Kitch Olson.
March
Picture of a specially extended DC8 passenger stand for passengers
deplaning from the TU-114 turbo-prop of Aeroflot at Montreal.
Frank Brennan, Leo Pichette and Paul Levec the mechanics who built the
extension, Les Weigh Technician, Flight Support who designed the stand.
May.
The 25th anniversary of the first air link to Newfoundland was celebrated.
On May 1st 1942 a 12 passenger Lockheed 14H-2 landed at Torbay airport at
St.John's, Newfoundland to establish the first commercial air link between
Canada and Newfoundland.


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. Found on the internet.
Y2K KANADA:
If your plans for the first days of the year 2000 include
air travel, NAV CANADA wants you to know that 100 percent of their ATC
computer systems are ready for Year 2000 certification.  According to
Project Manager David Honkanen, "When the clock strikes midnight on
January 1, 2000, it's going to be another routine day for Canada's Air
Navigation System."  FAA, you listening?

AN FAA PORN STAR:
What exactly do our controller friends see when they
watch the radar screen?  A zillion little converging heart-attack-
inducing blips?  That's apparently not what FAA engineer Richard
Harrower has been watching on his computer screen.  The 37-year-old has
been sentenced to 27 months in prison for using a government computer to
retrieve more than 1,000 pieces of kiddie porn from the Internet.

. Terry's Travel Tips.
Visiting Portugal?
U.S., Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British sujects do not require
a visa to visit Portugal for up to 90 days.
American Express and Diners credit cards are widely accepted.
Seniors 65+ can benefit from a 50% discount when travelling on Portuguese
National Railways.
U.S. and Canadian drivers license are accepted.
Canadian Embassy is located in Lisbon - phone 01/347-48-92
U.S.     Embassy is located in Lisbon - phone 01/727-33-00
U.K.     Embassy is located in Lisbon - phone 01/396-15-69

A.T.M's in Europe - some of the keyboards are numeric only, if your PIN
contains any alpha's - you're out of luck!

Need a car to rent in the UK?
Here are some phone numbers you can call from Canada -
Century International from UKP79.00 per week. 44-1442-216512
Thrifty 44-990-168238 email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Nationwide from UKP98.00 per week. 44-1825-761413
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
London Airport Rentals from UKP89.00 per week 44-1582-419311
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Kenning from UKP18.50 per day 44-1246-208888
Churchfields from UKP15.00 per day 44-1252-370088
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Worldwide Reservations 44-1794-518717 email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Manchester Airport Car Hire 44-161-905-1331
Big Apple Car Hire 44-1625-615999

Unheard of Interline Prices on Windstar Cruises for Xmas!!!!
CARRIBBEAN:
SHIP: on the "Windspirit"   Date: 20/Dec/98 **(Christmas sailing)
7 days round trip from "St. Thomas"
New Price: $795usd plus port taxes per person
(regular retail price for this is $4055usd per person)
SHIP: on the "Windsurf" Date: 20/Dec/98**(Christmas sailing)
7 days rountrip from "Barbados"
New Price: $795usd plus port taxes per person
(regular retail price for this is $3650usd-$3950usd per person)
Call Canadian interline Travel to take advantage of this
special rate at 1-800-665-3100!!! and mention Pionairs.

Hot deals from Holland America
CHRISTMAS DOWNUNDER on Holland America
Nieuw Amsterdam from $824 - December 21 ~ 16 days
Sydney/Australia to Auckland/NZ
featuring Melbourne, Tasmania, Fjordland Natn'l Park and CHRISTMAS at SEA
SOUTH AMERICA on Holland America
ms Noordam from $699 - January 2 ~ 16 days - Tampa to Rio de Janeiro
featuring St. Thomas, Devil's Island, Itaqui, Fortaleza and Salvador
SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN on Holland America
ms Statendam from $499 - January 2 ~ 10 days
Ft. Lauderdale, St. Kitts, Martinique, Trinidad, Dominica, St. Thomas,
Half Moon Cay, Ft. Lauderdale
ms Ryndam from $499 - January 6 ~ 10 days
Ft. Lauderdale, Antigua, St. Lucia, Guadeloupe, St. John
St. Thomas, Nassau, Ft. Lauderdale
EASTERN CARIBBEAN on Holland America
ms Westerdam from $399 - January 2 ~ 7 days
Ft. Lauderdale, Nassau, San Juan, St. John/St. Thomas
Half Moon Cay, Ft. Lauderdale
WESTERN CARIBBEAN on Holland America
ms Veendam from $499 - January 3 ~ 7 days
Ft. Lauderdale, Playa del Carmen, Cozumel, Grand Cayman
Ocho Rios, Half Moon Cay, Ft. Lauderdale.
JUST IN . . . . .
PANAMA ~ February 16th ~ 10 Day Roundtrip out of Ft. Lauderdale
Beautiful Ship - Best Available at Time of Booking -
This won't last long -  From $669!
NEW YEARS EVE CRUISE ~ Dec 31st ~ 4 Night Southern Caribbean
San Juan, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Croix, San Juan
Inside $220! Outside $320!
All rates US$ pp/dbl,subject to availability. New bookings only.
Port charges/Govt fees additional.
For these and other specials - contact us at:
Dargal Interline 1-800-690-3223 and mention Pionairs.

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. Smilie.
Did B.O.A.C. change title to B.A. because the acronym for BOAC was
Better On Air Canada?

Controller to transitioning aircraft:
"Do you have Miami's altimeter?"
Student pilot (after long pause):
"No sir, this one belongs to the flight school where I rented the plane."

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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