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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acfamily.net/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acfamily.net/between/terry/

Mailing of this "NetLetter" is courtesy of Alan Rust
administrator of the "AC Family Network" at:
http://www.acfamily.net

number 386 July 13th , 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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Re our policy on Obituaries received:

Terry and I are sorry but we have had to establish a policy
of not printing obituaries in
"Between Yourselves - NetLetter"
unless the deceased was a member of our mailing list
then will print a short obituary in the NetLetter.
Otherwise please advise your local "Pionairs" District
Director and the Horizons employee publication,
if applicable.

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CHANGES IN  E-MAIL ADDRESSES:

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is new e-mail address for Terry Kwizak

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is new e-mail address for
Andrew Wallace

Alastair Thomson who says to ditch the "This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it."
address. His new email address (which has been tried, tested
and is true) is
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
All emails that were sent to me under "blueone" in the last week or so
were undeliverable/unreadable, so I never got them.

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WHATS ON AND WHERE?

Wednesday July 14, 1999
Alexandria Air Canada Retirees Lunch Group monthly, for info
Clive 613-525-4819 or Cam 224-6469
St Catherine AC Retirees & Pionairs meet at 10am Sweets and
Crepes Cafe, Ontario St & Lakeport.
Contact Colin Bailey 935-3970

Friday July 16, 1999
Ottawa, AC retirees & Pionairs KoffeeKlatsches weekly
at 10 am, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping

Saturday July 17, 1999
Kelowna BC Air Display
Lazo BC Comox Valley International Air Show

Sunday July 18, 1999
Lazo BC Comox Valley International Air Show

Tuesday July 20, 1999
Burlingame California Retirees & Pionairs monthly meeting
at 11am Air Canada office all welcome
Fort St John BC Air Show 99

Wednesday July 21, 1999
BurOak Pionairs Grp, 10:30am at Mother Tuckers Market Place,
QEW South Service Rd between Walkers's and Guelph lines
Burlington Ontario
Fort St John BC Air Show 99
St Catherine AC Retirees & Pionairs meet at 10am
Sweets and Crepes Cafe, Ontario St & Lakeport.
Contact Colin Bailey 935-3970
Vancouver Is. Pionairs Annual Picnic at Mt Douglas Park at
11am price is $2pp 

Friday July 23, 1999
Ottawa, AC retirees & Pionairs KoffeeKlatsches weekly
at 10 am, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping

Sunday  July 25, 1999     
Prince George BC Air Show  

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COMMENTS BETWEEN YOURSELVES
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:56:42 -0400
From: Betty Lou and/or Don Lynn <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Re: NetLetter 384 Jul 7/99

Now that the 'stews' have secured a new contract and the IAM
is about to enter into negotiations, it would be comforting
(to say the least!) if some consideration was given to
including retirees and their (our) pensions in the
deliberations...the reported package won by the 'stews' does
seem to be considerably richer than what we received...!
(spoken with tongue in cheek<G>....ed)

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Subject: Re Family Affair question
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:51:06 -0500
I think Don Demeza's reply is probably the correct answer to
the refund part. The initial question by Irv Christjanson
suggested "Family Affair" passengers had been threatened
with denied boarding due oversales presumably because they
were "Family Affair" passengers.

Oversale conditions are a sticky wicket at the best of
times. The issue of who should be denied boarding under
those conditions should be in accord with the overall
policies regarding oversale conditions.
I have just one bit of advice for Family Affair
passengers....always check in early for your flights.
Best regards Bill Norberg ....

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KEEPING TRACK OF OUR CF-TCC

Re the numbers on the fins of CF-TCC I suspect they were the
company assigned aircraft reference numbers. Bill Norberg
...
Looks to me like the manufacturers serial number. Just a
hazard guess. Ross Graham This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it....
...
(ps we didnt get the answers yet from Capt Macleod, sorry
for the suspense)

in the meantime because I love trivia and cant resist
answering , my answer is that the 25 signifies the 25th
anniversary for TCA in 1962 eg 1937-1962?........Vesta.

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HOT OFF THE PRESS.

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:36:54 -0300
Capt. Alan MacLeod visited with us while in Moncton and
asked me this morning to relay an update for "Between
Yourselves." He is in Charlottetown, PEI this morning and
spoke to him via Amateur Radio.

TANGO CHARLIE CHARLIE
From: Alan MacLeod <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Tango Charlie Charlie departed Dorval on Thursday July 8 for
YQM Moncton where Transport Canada offered use of their
Hanger and AC coordination was nicely handled
by Paul Cormier.
On board was former AC navigator and pilot, Phil Pawsey.
Phil gave high marks for enroute navigation and piloting.
Despite unfavourable weather, four "Dreams" flights were
flown on Saturday July 10.
On board one of the flights was Percy Waddy former wartime
(Libs)and TCA pilot.Percy left the Airline in 1949 to manage
a very successful farming and lumber business near Moncton.
After the last Moncton flight, CF-TCC was then flown to
Charlottetown. Pilots for the Moncton operation and the
flight to Charlottetown were Capt's. Alan MacLeod and Harvey
Reid. Capt. Ken Patry will join Capt. Macleod for the
Charlottetown and Halifax "DREAMS" flights.

Weather forced cancellation of "DREAMS" flights planned for
Sunday, July 11 at Charlottetown.
CF-TCC is now stored at the YYG Prince Edward Air Hanger and
the operation is re-scheduled for Thursday July 15.

TCC will be in Halifax July 16, 17 and 18. Halifax "DREAMS"
flights will operate from the Air Canada Maintenance Hanger.

Two other stops in Maritimes will be Fredericton on July 20
and Saint John on July 21 and 22.
Capt. Ted Dodds will join Capt. MacLeod for the "DREAMS"
flights in Fredericton and Saint John.

More to follow.       Alan MacLeod
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Passing this message for Alan gives me the opportunity to
express appreciation for regularly receiving "Between
Yourselves." During the late fifties and early sixties I
acted as liaison officer between CNTelecommunications and
Air Canada for telecom services we supplied: teletype
networks and switching systems, voice system for dispatch,
ReserVec I & II, etc. and worked with Cam Campbell, Bob
Williamson, Ralph Thomas, Don Demeza, Graham Williams and
many others. Learned much about the airline and its telecom
requirements and met some very fine people as we travelled
across the system. It's interesting to see many familiar
names appearing in your newsletter.

Maintaining such an informative publication is no easy task
and you are both to be commended on a super job.
Many thanks.Regards, Bill Gillis

Wm. J. "Bill" Gillis, VE1WG
Atlantic Region Director
RADIO AMATEURS of CANADA
1308 Shediac Road
Moncton   NB   E1A 7A7
TEL: 506-383-8016
FAX: 506-383-1034
E-mail: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Packet: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

(your 'pilot' of "BETWEEN YOURSELVES - NetLetter" was one of
those that worked in Telecomms during that time and later,
and with all of the above.)

Thanks very much Bill, Terry and I appreciate this.

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NEWS FROM RAPCAN
AIR CANADA BARELY ESCAPED,
FLIGHT ATTENDANT TALKS WENT DOWN TO THE WIRE.
Unlike other labor disputes, the deadlock in this case
wasn't wages. A deal hinged on pensions. Knowing it was in a
strong bargaining position since AC could not afford another
devastating strike, the FA's refused to budge.When AC's
proposal arrived at 2330 hrs, it was all there. Union
officials signed on the dotted line. It was 0010 hrs.
The tentative deal includes lowering the age for early
retirement eligibility to 55 from 57. That means a 55 year-
old FA with 25 years of service will see a pension rise from
$15,625 to $19,025 a year. An employee with 35 years of
service will get $4,200 a year added to the current $21,800.
FA's eligible for early retirement from Nov. 1, 1998 to Oct.
31, 2000, will get an additional lump sum payment of $1,000
per year for each year of allowable service. AC agreed to
study the future of the pension plan and promised to
increase the plan benefit formula by Oct. 31, 2001 AC's
customers are returning faster than expected after the
airline averted a strike by FA's - but it's now on a crash
course with machinists that will cut further into profits.
AC handled 40,000 passenger across the system July 9th, and
36,000 on July 8th. It averages about 50,000 customers daily
during the peak summer travel season.
AC said it expected about half of that.

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AIR CANADA has lost the first round of a legal battle to
block both the $4.4 billion redevelopment of Pearson Intntl.
Airport and the fee increases to support it. The Ontario
Superior Court dismissed AC's claims of "intimidation" by
the Greater Toronto Airports Authority in their messy battle
over the redevelopment. The Court also ruled that while the
GTAA is allowed to set whatever rental and landing charges
it sees fit, AC also has the right to legally challenge in
the coming months whether they are "reasonable".

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An escalating battle between AC and the agency that runs
Pearson Intntl. Airport has spilled out of the board rooms
and into the skies. The passengers on AC flight 729 bound
Toronto from Newark last last month were among the victims.
They were forced to spend the night in Newark because the
GTA refused to allow their flight, which had been delayed by
bad weather, to land after-hours at Pearson. They are not
the only passengers who have seen their travel plans upset.
Since June 22, the authority has refused to allow any AC
flight to land or take off after the airport's nighttime
noise restriction kicks in at 12:30 a.m.

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COMPUTERS NEWS
Airlines Say They're Ready for Y2K (two of two parts will be
in another netletter.)

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more ACCOLADES  <G>

Subject: cophenhagen hotels
Thanks for putting out the blurb on my search for a hotel in CPH.  Well,
I received a few tips from our readers.  Thank you so much.  Will let
you know how it worked out. Sheila .......

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From: Jacques Gaucher <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Congratulations
I have kept all NetLetters since No.189 and always regretted not having
the complete collection. 
Thanks to your BYN archives Web site, I now have it.
But the primary reason for this letter is to congratulate
you on a fantastic job.To take so much of your personal time
in retirement to dedicate yourself to other retirees is a
very altruistic quality.
I want you to know that your efforts and dedication are well
appreciated not only by me but also by others who will not
necessarily take the time to say thank you.
Jacques@thanks.a lot
.......
We would hate to miss any Netletters as they are always so
full of interest.Really appreciate receiving same Flora.

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TERRYS TRAVEL TIPS
Alan pointed out an error  made in the following information which
was faithfully copied into NetLetter nr 385 -
Dominion Republic - There is a us$10.00 entry fee upon
arrival in the country. Visitors must purchase a tourist
card. There is also a us$10.00 departure tax.
Title should be -Dominican Republic

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SMILIE
From: Terry Baker <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Shortly after just landing at a big international airport in
his Cessna 150, our hero strolls into the busy airport
cafeteria for a bite to eat.
He finds an empty table by the window to keep an eye on the
airport comings and goings. Shortly thereafter, a striking
woman walks up and asks to share his table.
Naturally, he invites her to sit down. After several minutes
of small talk, the woman asks if he is a pilot.
He responds, "Why, yes, I am -- I fly a C-150." 
Knowing next to nothing about airplanes, she asks him what a
C-150 is.
The pilot looks out the window and spots a C-130 Hercules
taxing out for takeoff.
Pointing to it, he tells his companion, "See that plane over
there? That is a C-130. I fly a C-150!"


.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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Vesta in Victoria. 



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