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Number 408   Date Sept 19th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. DID YOU KNOW?
You can read or retrieve back issues of the BYN?
Just visit our web site at:
http://www.acfamily.net/between
and click on the "Archives" button.
This area is only open to "BETWEEN YOURSELVES - NetLetter" subscribers
and you will need the following password to enter -
User Name: byn  Password: vesta

Why not check out the Air Canada Retired Employees Web Site
http://www.acfamily.net/acrew/
webmaster is Tom Grant.

Don't forget the new web site forum on THE MERGER!
http://www.acemployee.com

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. Repeat message from NetLetter nr 406 -
Both your Chief Pilot and Co-pilot are AWOL from Sept 19th until near
the end of September, so things will be awfully quiet around the
NetLetter flight deck! We might add that we are in different locations<g>.

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. Welcome to
Tony Hatch retired in 1997 and worked in LHR flight despatch from 1961.
Tony can be reached via This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Maureen Miller retired Manager Human Resources Programs living in
Flesherton, ON  email is  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Alfred William  {Bill) Sargent retired Maintenance Supvr lives in
New London, P.E.I. Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Eldon C Dimond retired and living in Winnipeg, MN
email   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  should find him.
Louis Maheux email is   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Louis is a retired Mechanic cat 10 living in St Laurent, QC
Thomas  A  Vanstokkom retired Production Fareman Maintenance living in
Alexandria ON  Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Stephanie Mandzie, Director Winnipeg Pionairs can be reached at
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Ken Roach has moved to  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. ???
Airline Management 101 -
This tale allegedly refers to British Airways and Virgin Atlantic, but
could very well refer to two other airlines whose names escape me!
Once apon a time there were two airlines - a stodgy old one and a
feisty new one - and they decided to have a boat race on the river Thames.
Both crews prcticed diligently, but when the big day came, the
old-airline     lost by one boat-length. Senior management assigned a team
to investigate
the loss, and the team reported that while the new airline's boat had eight
rowers and one person steering, the old-airline's boat had one rower, seven
people steering and just one dangling his hand in the water. So old-airline
hired a consulting firm who recommended that the new race team have one
rower, four steering managers, three senior steering managers and
one executive steering manager. At the next annual race, the new-airline
won by an even greater margin. As a result, old-airline fired the rower
for poor performance, sold the paddles, cancelled research and development
of a new boat, gave performance awards to the consultants, distributed
the savings among senior management - and sought a merger with the
new-airline.

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. Need to know.
Cape Breton was reduced to one regional airline recently when
the service provided by Intercanadian abandoned its run to Sydney.
Intercanadian also stpped flying into Gander, Newfoundland last
month.

Here is a list of current Director of the various Pionair Districts
supplied by Barbara Hambleton National Pionair Secretary  -
PIONAIRS BOARD OF DIRECTORS


JOHN BAKER (ELLEN)                    FRANK COGGER (OLIVE)
Bracknell, Berks, U.K.                Saint John, NB
011 44 1344 425440                    (506) 672-2159
EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.    EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

SCOTT FOYERS (PEARL)                  RON GORAN (AUDREY)
Halifax, NS                           Kelowna, B.C.
(902) 423-1505 CELL: (902) 221-6677   (250) 712-9723
EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.    EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

DON HANCOCK (JEAN)                    PAT HARE
Richmond, B.C.                        Iroquois, ON
(604) 231-0359                        (613) 652-4937 
EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.              EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

LORRAINE HORSLEY (BRIAN)              JOHN JEFFREY (ANN)
Edmonton, AB                          Sidney, B.C.
(780) 988-9074                        (250) 656-9799
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STEPHANIE MANDZIE                     RHONDA MANORE (JOHN)
WINNIPEG, MB                          GRAND BEND, ONT
(204) 489-3060                         519) 238-2432 FAX: (519) 238-2421
EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

FRASER O'SHAUGHNESSY(ROSEMARY)        PAM ROSHOLT
OAKVILLE, ONT                         BEACONSFIELD, QC
(905) 847-1421                        (514) 630-0227
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ART THRUN (VERDELLE)                   MURRAY WADDEN (MONA)
ELGIN, IL 60120                        ALBERT BRIDGE, NS B0A 1P0
(847) 931-0944                         (902) 567-6434
EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.                   EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

ADELE WALLACE (JIM)
CALGARY, AB
(403) 241-1018 FAX: (403) 263-9668
EMAIL:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Effective  Aug/20/99

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. News from the National Pionairs President -
Effective September 14,1999 the newest Pionair District became a
reality with the addition of the Newfoundland District coming into being.
The new District Executive is as follows:
Director-- Neil Dingwell  email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Asst./Director-- Dave Mercer
Secretary-- Bill Hilliard
Treasurer-- Marg O'Brien
Barbara and I enjoyed not only the pleasure of seeing a new District
created but also the legendary Newfoundland hospitality.
And what is also very satisfying, effective Sept 16th, all District
Directors are now on-line with email.
Regards, Saville


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. From Brian Dunn's email newsletter -
Austrian Airlines will be withdrawing their service to Montreal as
of the end of September due to poor loads and Iberia will be withdrawing
all scheduled service to Spain as of the end of the summer schedule
period on October 30th.

AIRLINERS and AVIATION COLLECTABLES SHOW
Sat. October 16, 1999   1000 to 1500hrs
Royal Canadian Legion Hall, 3263 Derry Rd.E.,Malton
For more info and table reservations e-mail Steve Emmins at
email to:airtor&interlog.com
Future show dates:  Sat. Feb 19, 2000 and Sat. May 13, 2000

MONTREAL AIRLINER'S CLUB
Next meeting to be held on Sun Sept. 26th at 1300hrs in room 368
Dorval airport terminal.
For more info about this meeting please contact Pierre Langlois at
email to:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Found on the internet.
TINA TURNER, AVIATION HERO: Remember a few years ago when some guy
claimed Entertainment Tonight host Mary Hart's voice caused him to go
into an epileptic seizure?  This story is almost as strange.  Officials
at the Gloucestershire, England, airport report that Tina Turner's
singing was more effective than a tape of bird distress calls at scaring
off birds.

"WALKING EGGPLANTS" FUME OVER VEGGIE STYLE: First it was longer work
hours.  Now, Cathay Pacific Airways is forcing flight attendants to wear
a new uniform they say makes them look like "walking eggplants."  An
overwhelming number of crewmembers who responded to an online survey
said the purple uniform looked "very, very ugly."

A Dane, reputed to be one of the strongest men in the world, hauled a
150-tonne wide-bodied DC10 airliner in Copenhagen recently to enter the
Guiness Book of Records.
George Olsen, 38, weighing 250 pounds, pulled the plane 21.15 metres with
a rope tied around his body.
(As S.A.S. are Star Alliance members and code share with Air Canada it
makes you wonder how they handle our B767! - eds)

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. News from the Districts.
Vancouver Island Pionairs and Pionair guests will meet for lunch at
McMorran's Beach House on Oct. 6th, Wednesday at 1130. The cost is $17:00
per person.
Our guest speaker will be Richard Paquette, General Manager of the
Victoria Airport. He will discuss the upcoming improvements planned for
the Victoria International Airport.
McMorran's is located in Cordova Bay.
DEADLINE for cheques is Sept 27th.
Visiting Pionairs to our district welcomed.
John Jeffrey,  District Director
emailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  or phone (250)656-9799

London, Ontario District - AC Pionairs Fall Meeting
Greenhills Golf Club is, once again, the setting for the London, Ontario,
Fall Pionairs Brunch, which will take place in the Club Room on Sunday,
October 03rd, 1999.  The cost will be $14.00 per person - doors open at
11:30 and buffet starts at 12:00 noon.  The buffet is plentiful and we
won't count how many times you return.
Greenhills is a beautiful setting located just off Highway 401 at Col.
Talbot Road - you can see it from the 401.
We are trying to obtain a speaker on the topic of mergers (sensitive
subject these days!) and will be showing a brief video promoting the
location of the Millenium AGM in Vancouver on April 28 to 30, 2000.
To entice you further, there will be great draw prizes too!
DEADLINE for cheques and replies is Monday, September 27th and they can be
forwarded to:
Rhonda Manore (Cheques payable to  "Rhonda Manore In Trust")
P. O. Box 280, Grand Bend, Ontario, Canada  N0M 1T0
Phone:  (519) 238-2432        Fax:   (519) 238-1037
Many thanks!
Rhonda Manore, District Director - YXU This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. From the Globe Thursday Aug 25th 1932 -
Flying Ups and Downs.
Amelia Earhart Putman took off on a non-stop jump across the continent.
George Hutchison and seven others in 'Flying Family' arrived in Ireland
enroute to Europe.
Thor Solberg & Carl Peterson who startfrom New York for Norway, crashed
in Newfoundland but escaped injury.
Clyde Lee & John Bochkon of Vermont, also Norway bound, are awaiting
favourable weather to hop off Harbor Grace, Nfld.
Capt. J.A.Mollison in New York gets ready for his return flight to
Croydon, England.
Amy Johnson, Mollison's wife, has decided not to try to duplicate his
flight.
William Ulrich, Dr. Leon Piscuill and Miss Edna Newcomer planning a
jaunt to Rome, are scanning weather reports in New York.
Capt Wolfgang von Gronan of Germany, tarry at Cordova, Alaska, en
route around the world.

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. Help wanted.
David Williams is planning atrip to White Rock BC in October, and wants
to know of any good accommodations at a reasonable price in that area.
If anyone has the name, price and telephone number of a hotel please
email David at  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.
Visiting the UK during the start of the millennium?
Licencing laws in the U.K. are among the toughest in the western world.
The Home Office has already promised that pub-loving Britons can drink
until they drop this millennium New Year's Eve allowing bars to serve
alcohol for 36 uninterrupted hours from 11:00 Dec 31st to 23:00 Jan 1st.
The industry says that this should always be the case. The laws date back
to the First World War to ensure that munitions workers remained sober
enough to supply the war effort. But to visit Madrid or Amsterdam and you
can party all night. But without a special permit, bars in London,
Manchester and Leeds must start turfing out their customers by 23:00.

Heathrow (LHR) is some 24 kms west of the city.
Taxi cost is approximately ca$80.00
Web site is http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk

Franfurt International Airport is 12 kms from downtown.
Taxi cost is approximately ca$50.00
Web site is http://tcf.frankfurt-main.de

Vancouver International Airport is 15 kms from downtown.
Taxi cost is approximately ca$20.00
Web site is http://tourism-vancouver.org

Chicago O'Hare International Airport is 29 kms from downtown.
Taxi costs approximately us$35.00
Web site is http://chicago.il.org

Montreal Dorval International Airport is 20 kms from downtown.
Taxi cost is approximately ca$25.00
Web site is http://tourism-montreal.org

Toronto Lester B. Pearson International Airport is 30 kms from downtown.
Taxi cost is approximately ca$40.00
Web site is http://tourism-toronto.org

San Diego Airport is close to downtown.
Taxi fare to downtown hotels is us$12.00
Shuttle service is us$7.00
La Jolla is 20 kms from the airport and shuttle is us$22.50

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. Smilie from RAPCAN newsletter issued by Duane Frerichs -
Western Airlines had a term for its second officers.
The term was "GIB", which stood for, "Guy In Back."
The term was strictly unofficial and was actually frowned upon by the
management at Western.
It seems that some wise-guy pilot had been browsing through a
dictionary and had made the discovery that a "gib" is a castrated
tomcat.

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