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Number 418   Date Oct 23rd, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. DID YOU KNOW?
Important reminder, for all new articles, submissions and or comments
for the “BETWEEN YOURSELVES - Netletter” please send to:
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. We welcome -
Ken Brewin retired Captain Flight Ops living in North Glengarry, ON
Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Cleve Beeler retired Cargo Customer Service Agent and living in
Cornwallis Park, NS  email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Colette BENOIT-BARNE retired Cafeteria Attendant, lives in Castres,
Midi-Pyrenees, France email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Edgar Gohs has changed email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Tom Cail has also changed, try him on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Dave Cooper is also no the move, now at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(Thanks for keeping in touch - eds)

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. Need to know.
Subject: Service Award Tickets
Don Demeza sends this information -
The current letter which is sent to those who qualify for Service Award
Tickets, includes the following paragraph, which did not appear in the
Travel Guide:
"Please consult the published restrictions and blackout periods prior
to making your travel arrangements. May I remind you that, in the very
unlikely event that an oversale situation occurs on the flight on which
you are booked, and you are consequently denied boarding, you will be
protected on the first available Air Canada flight and entitled to full
expenses (such as hotel, meal and ground transportation) if required."
(You may wish to update Chapter 8 in the Travel Guide - eds)

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. News from the districts.
Just a reminder about the Halloween Dance. If you want to organize a
table with other retirees.
The Hansa Haunted Halls Halloween Dance
at the Hansa Haus
October 30, 1999
doors open at 6 p.m. for lots of fun, food and refreshment
dance to the Oberkrainer Bank
prizes for the best costume
tickets - in advance $8,  at the door $10
children welcome
Tickets are available at the Hansa Stube
6650 Hurontario Street (Hwy. 10) in Mississauga
or by contacting
Ekko (905) 277-8595, Edelgard (905) 542-1440, Al Dittgen (905) 792-3860
Cheers .. Janet Grunwald  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

From London, Ont Pionairs -
The London, Ontario Air Canada Pionairs enjoyed a generous brunch in the
lovely surroundings of Greenhills Golf Club on Sunday, October 03rd, 1999.
There were about 30 Pionairs in attendance, from as far away as Stratford,
and their support was most sincerely appreciated.   Many have lived in the
London area for some time, however, a number of folks who have retired
from  Montreal were pleased to renew old acquaintances.
Housekeeping matters were disposed of in a hurry and announcements were
made, especially with regard to the Pionairs AGM planned for April 28 to
30, in the Millenium year.  Prior to lunch, everyone relaxed while
watching the video of Vancouver and other areas of beautiful B.C., which
was provided  by the Pionairs Executive.
Although everyone ate their fill from the buffet, they were still able
to listen to a speaker from Nesbitt Burns.  With the Onex takeover of
Air Canada being a topical subject, the group were rapt with attention
as he outlined the potential scenarios that might take place and possible
effects they may have on the stock. Understandably, he was unable to
answer many specific questions, however, everyone went away with much
to think about and, hopefully, learned a little about the rationale behind
such maneuvers in the financial world.
After the winners of the donated draw prizes were announced, the group
departed to enjoy the fall colours during their drive home on a beautiful
fall day.
Submitted by:-  Rhonda Manore, District Director, Pionairs,
London, Ontario email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. From the RAPCAN newsletter issued by Duane Frerichs -
From: "Ellie Park" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
A recent story about the near miss of a hawk and a gopher reminded
me of a collision on takeoff out of YWG. Must have happened nearly 40 years
ago. We were flying a DC9. Just after lift off there was a thump and a
shudder. We decided to leave the aircraft just as it was. It was flying
without any change in anything. No indication of any change on the engine
instruments, controls were smooth ... so don't change anything. Then there
was a horrible stench throughout the inside of the a/c. We asked the tower
to put the glasses on us while we flew by, first to view the right side
then to view the leftside. As they could not see anything untoward we
decided to land and let Maintenance look us over.  After shutting down,
line maintenance came on board holding the wing of a large hawk. The wing
was nearly 18" long. (We still measured in inches and feet back then.) So
the hawk had to measure better than three feet across. The bird had struck
midway up the oleo. Most of the winged creature had gone through the port
engine. As the air conditioning came off the engines, the bird was
cooked and the feathers singed; hence the terrible smell.  We decided to
take the aircraft off the ramp, run it to take-off power for the max.
time, shut  down, open the clamp shells and inspect the engine.
Everything checked AOK in NASA (NACA) terms. The decision was to carry
on to YYZ.  After T.O. we told everyone we were having boiled owl, or roast
hawk for lunch, and  wouldn't you know we had ... chicken.
"Ellie Park" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

And as a follow up in a subsequent RAPCAN newsletter, from J. Griffit -
The bird strike stories reminded me of an incident that happened to my
brother in Vancouver enroute to Victoria in a Viscount. they realized
they'd hit bird on landing and asked if they could go out with the DOT
truck to retrieve and identify the corpse. It turned out to be a nice fat
pheasant which had flown up and hit it's head on the under side of the wing
thus killing itself. The bird,except for a major head wound was otherwise in
perfect condition. With the approval of the DOT, the aircraft which had
sustained no damage and crew proceeded to Victoria with the offending
carcass and had the chef at the layover hotel prepare it for their dinner.
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. AIRCRAFT ORDERS
Slovenia’s Adria Airways (JP) has ordered a Bombardier CRJ 200 .
Aegean Airlines of Athens (Greece) has placed a second repeat
order for a British Aerospace Avro RJ100.
Italian regional airline Air Dolomiti (EN) confirmed an order for one
ATR 42-500 and one ATR 72-500 from the ATR consortium.
Japan’s Air Nippon (EL) has placed a firm order for three Dash 8
Q300 turboprop aircraft from Bombardier.
Ausburg Airways (IQ) has exercised two options for Bombardier
Dash 8 Q400 turboprop aircraft.
British Airways franchise carrier Maersk Air (VD) converted an
option for one CL-65-200LR Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ) into a firm
order.
Sweden’s City Airlines has signed a contract for the purchase of
three ERJ-135 regional jet aircraft from Embraer.
CityFlyer Express (FD) has exercised an option for a British
Aerospace RJ100 and placed a firm order for an additional two
aircraft of the type.
US carrier Delta Air Lines (DL) has ordered 18 Boeing 737-800
aircraft to accelerate the replacement of its ageing fleet of Boeing
727s.
Hainan Airlines (H4) has become the first Chinese airline to order
Fairchild Aerospace’s Dornier 328JET regional jet aircraft.
Hawaiian Airlines (HA) has signed a Letter Of Intent (LOI) for 13
Boeing 717-200s, according to the US aircraft manufacturer. The
13 aircraft will replace a fleet of 15 DC-9s now used on inter-islands
flights by the carrier.
German carrier Lufthansa (LH) has placed an order for eight A340-
300s and three A320s from Airbus.
Palestinian Airlines is to order two Dash 8 Q300 turboprop and two
CL-65-200LR turbofan aircraft from Canadian manufacturer Bombardier.
Leasing company GATX Flightlease has signed a firm contract with
Airbus for 38 aircraft destined for airlines in the Qualiflyer Group.
Of the 38 aircraft, five are A330-200s for Portugal’s TAP and one more
A330-200 for Austrian Airlines. The remaining 32 aircraft are made
up of 12 A318s, and ten A320s and A321s each. French carrier
AOM is believed to be the beneficiary of most of the A318s and will
share the A320s and A321s equally with Austrian Airlines to
replace MD-80s in their fleet. Airbus has not released delivery
dates for the aircraft.

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. Help wanted -
David and Joy Bates sends this request -
Subject: Hawaii, Wakiki Beach area
We are planning to return to Wakiki Beach this February for a winter
holiday.  In the past we have stayed at several Outrigger Hotels and are
now interested in renting a one bedroom condominium for the month of
February in the Wakiki area.  As I am a retired Air Canada employee, the
dates could be flexible.  Would you have any information or contacts
that might be available to us in finding such an accommodation.
Our e-mail address is:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..
Thanks.  David & Joy Bates

Bill Sargent wants some information please -
Subject: Info request on NZ Holiday
We have spent two festive Christmas holidays in the Republic of Ireland
at resort hotels.. We enjoyed these immensely and the prices were
reasonable. We are now looking for similar accomodation in New Zealand
for Christmas year 2000. Is there anyone out there who has experienced
such a holiday and would be prepared to pass on related information.
We need location, hotel names, price and facilities available.
Please send information by Email to:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(Don't think anyone has experienced a Christmas year 2000 Bill but
we ask anyway! - eds)

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. Terry's travel tips.
Looking for the web site of a major hotel chain?
Most use their name with .com following ie www.holidayinn.com

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Call   1-800-665-3100 for more information.

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. Smilie.
From Gord Dalziel -
RULES OF THE AIRWAYS
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Takeoff's are optional. Landings are mandatory.
Flying is not dangerous; crashing is dangerous.
Speed is life, altitude is life insurance.
No one has ever collided with the sky.
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man..Landing is the first!
Everyone knows a 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away.
But a 'great landing is one after which you can use the airplane again.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
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