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Number 419   Date Oct 27th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. DID YOU KNOW?
Important reminder, for all new articles, submissions and or comments
for the "BETWEEN YOURSELVES - Netletter" please send to:
mailto:between@acfamily
This e-mail address has been set up so that both of us (exclusively)
will get an automatic copy and can keep up with the continuity of news
for the netletter.

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. Must know!
Sheila Moscoe sends us this information -
Subject: Onex Proxy
As I no sooner mailed my AC Shareholder Proxy, when I received the Onex
Proxy.  Wasn't quite sure whether to answer it or not.  So, I called
Helen at Shareholder Relations in YUL, at 1-800-282-7427.  She advised
me NOT  to mail it in.  She said that's the advice they are giving to AC
employees. The reason given is that no answer is as good as a rejection
of their offer.
Sheila Moscoe  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Welcome to -
Shirley Goveia retired Customer Sales and Service Agent/Toronto Airport,
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Myron  Zegarchuk my name is Myron E. Zegarchuk, email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
my seniority date goes back to Aug 24/1942.
After many,many transfers and moves , finally ended here.
If you remember Zig pop him an email.
Len Callaghan retired in Jan 1999. Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. will locate Jean P Leroux retired
Supervisor Quebec Airport living in Ste-Foy, QC.

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. Where are they now?
Dennis Brown has moved ISP, try him on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Lynn Cockrill tells us that because of BC Tel merging with Telus,
her  e-mail address has changed.  It is now:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Jim Billwiller has changed e-mail address to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. new address for Len and Joan Brittan.

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. From Tom Grant -
From: Editor <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: NetLetter 415 article
RE: article on Boeing International Relief Delivery Flights.
If readers would like more info their website is at:
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/aboutus/community/relflights/
PS: If readers would like to try another search engine try Google.
Funny name, but fast and to the point with no ads. I have had good
results the past month using it instead of my usual search-search
engine. http://www.google.com/
Cheers, Tom

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. Found on the internet.
With the recent arrival of its first widebody Airbus A330, Air Canada
becomes the first scheduled airline in North America to operate the
state-of-the-art twin-engine jet.
By July 2001, Air Canada will have taken delivery of a total of six
ultra-efficient Airbus A330- 300 aircraft equipped with twin Rolls
Royce 700 engines.
The Air Canada fleet consists of: 12 Airbus A340s, 34 Airbus A320s,
35 Airbus A319s, 3 Boeing B747-400s, 29 Boeing B767s, 17 Boeing DC-9s
and 25 Canadair Regional Jets.

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. News from the districts.
Mitch Mitchell sends this update -
Subject: Halifax Meetings
Just a note to let you know that the Halifax Meeting resumed in Oct.
and will continue through to June 2000 the first Wednesday of each month,
again at the Armdale Yacht Club at 11AM.
all the best. Mitch This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

ands from  Shirley Jay <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Edmonton pionair luncheon
The next Edmonton Pionair luncheon will be held on November 7th, at the
Nisku Inn at 11:30 a.m.  The cost of the buffet is $12.50 per person.
There is a shuttle bus service from the airport to the Nisku Inn.
For more information, contact Lorraine Horsley (780) 988 9074
or Shirley Jay (780) 436 0866.
Shirley Jay, Edmonton Pionairs email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


From John Jeffrey - Director Vancouver Island District.
FALL 1999
The calendar may say summer is gone but the weather man has blessed us
with summer like weather this fall.  We can hope for it to last till
Xmas????
Of concern to all of us is the current reality regarding Canadian
Airlines failing financial situation and the "Onex" solution. Saville
Hambleton, our National President, has been in contact with the
executive level at Air Canada and has ensured them of our  strong
support and willingness to participate, as requested.  He has been
advised that we will be called upon and to await Corporate direction.
It is clear that Air Canada has no intention of being stampeded into an
unduly hasty response and therefore we must be patient - difficult as
that may be!
We have lost our Air Canada Victoria/Toronto non-stop for the winter
period.  It is to be hoped that the flight will return in the Spring of
2000 and become a permanent fixture.  The passenger loads were very good
and this is a service of great importance to this area.
Your response to the request for items of food for the hamper is greatly
appreciated.
I am very pleased to advise you that we now have a District Treasurer.
Ina Wallace has volunteered for the position and is already hard at
work.
Recent Events
Annual Picnic:
On July 21st, on a cool morning, 40 Pionairs gathered at Mount Douglas
Park for our annual picnic.  As the day progressed, the weather improved
and by 1:00 PM it was very pleasant.  Unfortunately, we did not have
enough stalwarts to provide two soft ball teams, and the players had to
settle for a session of batting and fielding practice.  Better next
Year??? All the other games of skill were well attended and the
competition was impressive.  Prizes for all winners and the event wound
down around 3:30 PM.
Up Island Luncheon:
Was held at a new Nanaimo Hotel, the Four Points Sheraton, on August
25th.  54 Pionairs enjoyed the well appointed room, friendly service and
very good meal.  Several comments were received about the selection of
deserts!  Among the items offered as prizes, with regard to the raffle
tickets, was a beautiful ceramic lamp hand crafted by Terry Baker and
donated.  Many thanks Terry!
Comox Luncheon:
On Thursday September 30th,  I had the pleasure of joining 22 other
Pionairs at a  delightful lunch at Sunnydale Golf Course Courtenay.
They are a very enthusiastic, well organized group of Pionairs who enjoy
each other's company on a regular monthly basis.  Murray Phipps who
represents the District in that area provided some update information to
the gathering and asked me to say a few words.  After some opening
remarks regarding my own background with the Company I then gave an
update on the amount of work going on with the new National Executive
primarily in the area of computerization.    Then an open session was
held on the current and troublesome ONEX situation.
By the time this newsletter reaches you we will also have had our Fall
luncheon at McMorrans Beach House.
Terry and Vesta's newsletter continues to reach more and more interested
individuals.  It is a powerful medium for sharing information.  Should
you wish to receive the newsletter and you have a computer with e-mail
capability, Vesta and Terry can be reached at:
Chief Pilot;  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  Co-pilot,  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Upcoming events
Christmas luncheon:
Will be held at Dunsmuir Lodge on TUESDAY, DECEMBER 7TH.  We will start
at 11:30 and lunch will be served at 12:30.  Cost $19.50 per person,
the deadline regarding payment will be November 26th.  The room that we
will use has a seating capacity of 64 persons, so please register your
plan to attend early! On this occasion, due to limited seating, I will
require your cheques in advance, and not at the door.  Thanks for your
co-operation. The Lodge is planning a full Christmas Dinner for us and
wine will be provided on tables at no extra cost.  During the reception,
there will be a cash bar.
Spring Luncheon
Will be held at the Princess Mary on Tuesday, April 4th, in the year
2000.  The price and other pertinent details will be provided in the
winter newsletter.
FOLLOWING INPUT FROM BILL FISHER;
Computerized instrumentation in jetliners is not new these days but in
private aircraft it is rarely seen. Until now, Piper Aircraft has
introduced a new version of its' single engine Meridian with a full
"glass" instrument panel including a moving map GPS coupled to an
autopilot.  Price -  if you have to ask you can't afford it.
Wanted: Aviation Mechanics. The most recent figures identify 137,000
workers employed in the U.S. as aviation technicians. According to the
Professional Aviation Maintenance Association (PAMA) and the National
Air Transportation Association (NATA), the rapid growth the industry is
experiencing, along with the usual attrition, creates a demand for
10,000 to 12,000 new technicians every year. So these two groups are
taking their plea to high schools across the States with a program
called "Make It Fly". The message is a career in aircraft maintenance is
both worthy and rewarding.
Ed Long, recognized by the record books as having the most hours aloft
of any flier ever, died in Montgomery, Alabama, in July. He broke Max
Conrad's old record of more than 53,000 total hours in 1993. Before his
death, Long, who began his aviation career in 1933, had reportedly
amassed more than 65,000 hours in the air. That is slightly more than
seven years, three months airborne.
On May 18, Airbus Industry delivered its 2000th aircraft since
establishment of the European jetliner manufacturer 30 years ago. The
aircraft, a A340-300, was delivered to Lufthansa at the Airbus Toulouse
plant.
Regional airlines will soon have a choice of four airliners to pick from
if they want into the jet business. Bombardier's BRJ, Embraer's ERJ-170,
Fairchild Dornier's 728JET and Airbus's A318 are all new 100 seat
airliners looking at a market said to be about 1,700 aircraft. The cost
for each of these new planes is around $33 million US.
GOLF IN THE MILLENNIUM
The 5th Annual Pionair System Golf Tournament will be held on Vancouver
Island at the Glen Meadows Golf & Country Club in Sidney, on June 13/14,
2000.  Registration forms can be requested from me.  Entry fee:  2
games  of golf, steak dinner, prizes $120.00.  Dinner only: $25.00.
Cheers,
John Jeffrey District Director  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Here is a book you may enjoy -
Shirley Render is an author, and thought this book may be of interest
in view of the present circumstances -
DOUBLE CROSS, The Inside Story of James A. Richardson and
Canadian Airways.
DOUBLE CROSS tells the story behind the formation of Canada's two major
airlines. Prophetically, in 1928, Richardson stated that Canada could
support only one major airline. With government support, he created
Canadian Airways,  which was to have become Canada's national airline.
History unfolded  differently.
It is a story that is full of intrigue, turf protection and double-dealings.
It's a great tale about our aviation history. DOUBLE CROSS is now in
bookstores; published by Douglas & McIntyre. 332 pages, 25 photos.
It can  probably be purchased thru internet via Chapters or Indigo also.
For your information, I am an aviation historian, author of
NO PLACE FOR A LADY, The Story of Canada's Women Pilots; also a pilot
(1948 90 hp Luscombe), former Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs
in the Manitoba Legislature
Thanks,
Shirley Render
55 Victoria Cres
Wpg MB R2M 1X5  204-253-1263  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.
From: DAVID MORATH in the UK -
Our holiday in Dubai was excellent, stayed at an excellent new hotel
run by the Le Meridien chain, and was only GBP18.00 pppn so we had a good
couple of weeks there. There are excellent staff deals if you head there
at shoulder season such as September and April.
Also, British Midland have finally announced that they are in exclusive
talks with the Star Alliance and that assuming Lufthansa take a 20% stake
in the airline off of SAS then we are all go. Hopefully final negotiations
should take just about a couple of weeks - but don't hold your breath!

Subject: Interline - exclusive Millennium Offer!
From Canadian Interline -
An incredible MILLENNIUM offer from....  Marine Expeditions for a special
voyage to Antarctica. Visit a place so remote and untouched by humans that
it looks virtually the same as it did 1000 years ago!
The Ship
After flying to the Southern tip of South America, you will board the
modern, amenity-filled premier cruise liner Aegean I. This mid-sized oceanic
cruising vessel carries 630 passengers.
The Educational Content
An added element to this exotic voyage is the opportunity to learn more
about the region during our comprehensive educational program.
The Itinerary
DAY 1, December 28, 1999 Depart US. AIR from New York or Miami is
INCLUDED!
DAY 2, December 29, 1999
Arrive in Ushuaia, Argentina the 'Southernmost city in the world.'
DAY 3, December 30, 1999
Today you'll enter the fabled Drake Passage where Sir Francis Drake
sailed in the 15th century.
DAY 4, December 31, 1999
Afternoon landfall at the South Shetland Islands, a subantarctic group
famed for abundant wildlife and spectacular scenery.
Day 5, January 1, 2000
You will shuttle ashore* to King George Island today.
Day 6, January 2, 2000
A visit to Turet Point or Penguin Island for a memorable visit to see
nesting colonies of penguins.
Day 7, January 3, 2000
At sea. While crossing the Drake Passage, you can enjoy educational
lectures or utilize the ship's many amenities.
Day 8, January 4, 2000
Early morning arrival in Ushuaia. Disembark and board homeward-bound
flights.
Day 9, January 5, 2000
Arrive home.
* All shore landings are subject to appropriate weather and sea conditions.
Rates:Including Port charges & Taxes
Air-inclusive Inside cabin $1,785 USD pp dbl, Outside $2,185 USD pp dbl.
TO BOOK: Call Mike Sequeira at 1 800 665 3100 Ext 1307

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. Smilie.
supplied by Brian O'Hare Retired AC YYZ...living in Arizona
IDIOTS WE HAVE MET IN AVIATION

Here's one that happened to me.
While working for Western Airlines in Kenai, Alaska I stood at the main
cabin door waiting for the Flight Attendant to confirm the passenger
count.  We had 95 people on a 99 seat Electra.  When she finally got to me
I asked her " If you might take a suggestion why don't you just count the
empty seats?"  She brightened up and said "Oh!, thank you."
Two days later on an early morning red eye flight I again stood at the main
cabin door while the same Flight Attendant on the same Electra took her
cabin count.  We had 7 passengers.
You guessed it, she counted the empty seats.......
Norm I.  Anchorage, Ak

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