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Number 423   Date Nov 11th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

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. DID YOU KNOW?
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. We welcome -
email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. for Elaine Carson living in Georgetown, On
retired Secretary  Acft. Mtce.
Ron Krug eEmail:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. retired Project Control Officer
lives in Winnipeg, MN
Ernest Joseph Georges Ernest Trepanier email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
living in Lachine, QC retired Lead Mechanic (Avionic)
Macgregor Smith email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. lives in Kingston, ON
retired Manager Training & Dvmt.
email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. for Ken britton retired living in Westbank, BC
was Manager Finance
Try email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and connect with Cliff Abram
living in Kensington  P.E.I
Ray Bicknell email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. retired captain lives in
Las Brisas de Chapala, 45900 Jalisco, Mexico
Roy & Norma Nash both Air Canada retirees.
Roy was an Aircraft Maintenance Instructor
Norma (formerly Roy) was a Secretary and they live in
Stittsville, ON.

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. Where are they now?
Bob Walker now has a new email. Try This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Art Bedford and Arthur MacMurray now on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Charles Mackie now on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Herbert Bell now with This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. George McKillop tells us that -
Recently downloaded the most recent flight schedule.
Unable to open it and noticed  the following error message in
the pcx file.:
" Fatal error wrong no. args"
Any suggestions?
Regards
George McKillop  email:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. News from the districts.
From the monthly newsletter of London England -
LHR Pionair Director John Baker recently enjoyed a lunch with some
of the Scottish Pionairs and retirees. The Scottish group meet for
lunch monthly at the St. Nicholas Hotel, Prestwick, on the first Tuesday
of the month, and they would make you very welcome. John and his wife
took the opportunity to tour the former Royal Yacht Britannia at Leigh,
Edinburgh. It was very interesting and the tour takes about 2 hours.
Prior booking is advisable tel 0131-555-5566. There is ample parking,
or a bus service from Edinburgh.
Dates for your diary -
Dec 5th  -  UK Pionairs Lunch Heathrow Part Hotel. Cost GBP12.50.
Jan 8th  -  ACRA event 'Aladdin' at Beck theatre. Cost GBP10.00.
Proposed social events for year 2000 -
2 day visit to Amsterdam
Evening "London Tour" with a Dickens theme.
Day out to Olde Thyme Music Hall
Day trip to Dunkerque
Our annual trip to North America.
Veronica Jones gives an excellent report in the newsletter of the recent
annual jaunt to North America which, this year was Vancouver. Here is an
edited account -
We were pleased to see at our dinner some former colleagues:
Tom Sandilands, John and Jean Croxford, Spike Turner and Tony and
June Coleman. Tony has just been promoted General Manager, Customer
Service, Toronto.
Whilst visiting Capilano Bridge, we were given a certificate for walking
across.
An action packed two days started in warm sunny weather when our school
bus turned up. The first visit was to Gas Town, China Town and our first
stop in Stanley Park. We continued our tour, via Lions Gate bridge, to
Grouse Mountain. The majority braved the gondola ride, and our fears were
soon forgotten upon seeing the spectacular views. From Grouse we
travelled down to Capilano Gorge and Suspension Bridge. After a short
tour, giving us the history of Capilano and the bridge, we were invited
to cross the swaying structure. At this point a few of us decided that
we had been brave enough for one day and declined, but those brave souls
who did cross received their certificates. Capilano had more to offer
than the bridge, there was a very interesting Trading Post and totem pole
carving. We were lucky enough to catch a display of drumming, singing and
dancing by members of the First Nation. The latter obviously made an
impression on some members of our group as throughout the rest of the
trip      drumming and chanting erupted from the rear of the bus at regular
intervals.
Late afternoon found us at the Queen Elizabeth Gardens and the Bleodel
Conservatory, which houses an impressive display of tropical plants and
exotic birds. A highlight was seeing a tiny harvest mouse curled up
asleep on a large leaf.
We all met up again at 19.00 in the hotel restaurant, to relax and enjoy
a      delicious 3 course meal.
Day two began with a stop at Granville Island and Market, which is a
wonderful assortment of local and native craft shops plus a large public
market. We had over two hours there and could have done with longer.
But more surprises awaited us, and off we went to our final destination,
the waterfront and MPV Constitution, an old paddleboat which took us on
a tour of the Vancouver's very scenic harbour.
All too soon it was time to return to our hotel and bid au revoir to
friends old and new.
Again Jack and Aureen Morath have excelled themselves in arranging such
an interesting, varied and well organized trip, - and where are we going
next year?    Veronica Jones LHR.

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. Biography on my uncle, by Sharon Minchin <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Remembrance of the late Elmore Owen Martin, known as Allen or Al.
Al Martin was well liked by the people with Air Canada and had many
friends throughout Canada, the U.S.A. and Britain. He truly loved
airplanes and was always around them and always tried to help those who
shared his passion. T.C.A. or Air Canada as it later was called was the
perfect employer for him as was his job in Public Relations. Hopefully,
this will provide some human interest for your magazine and I am sure it
will bring back good memories for some of the "older, retired"
employees.
Thanks again for your interest in doing this article. It is especially
nice as tomorrow is "Remembrance Day"!!
Elmore Owen Martin, known as Allen or Al was born at home February 2,
1923 in Winona, Ontario.
He attended Winona Public School and Grimsby High School from 1929 until
1939 when he graduated from Grade 10, He worked in St. Catherines, at
McKinnon Industries, a subsidiary of General Motors, as a fine inspector
from 1939 until 1942.
In November 1942 he enlisted in the Royal Canadian Air Force and
achieved the rank of pilot officer and served as a mid-upper gunner on a
Lancaster MK I, "Queen of the Chase" which, unfortunately, was ditched
in the North Sea October 1944.
He spent time in Trenton #1 Air Command and #3 Bombing & Gunnery School
in MacDonald, Manitoba where he qualified for air gunner and then
overseas to Bournemouth, Tilstock O.T.U., Shrops, England, Wymcswold,
Castle Donington, Lindholme, (Boston Park), Hehnswcll , Sandtoft, Ingham
(gunnery School), Helinswell Lancaster Finishing School, #12 Sqdn, R.F.
Wickeriby, Lincolnshire,Warrington and Damhead.
He was overseas from October 1943 until February 1945 taking part in 33
operations and then returning home to Canada in May of 1945 when he was
struck off strength. He received the Canadian Volunteer Service Metal
and Clasp and obtained the rank of 2nd Lieutenant.
He was a member of the Hamilton Aero Club and later attended IFT. F ,
Mitchinson Flying School at the Hamilton Municipal Airport to receive
his Private Air Pilot's Certificate and License in April 1946 and his
Limited Commercial Pilot's License in February 1947. He has flown Piper
Cubs, Tiger Moths, D.H. Moth, Stinson Reliant, Taylorcraft, D.H.82,
Stinson HW 75, Norduyn Norseman, Avro Anson, Bristol Bolingbroke, A- W.
Whitley IV & V, Vickers Wellington, H. Page Halifax H, D. H, Puss Moth,
Piper Super Cruiser, Cessna 140, D, H. "Chipmunk", Cessna T-50 "Crane",
and the Avro Lancaster. In 1946 and 1947, he did a ferry trip to
Matachewan, Ontario for S. Welsh, to Cartierville, Quebec for W. R.
Oliver, and from Hamilton, Ontario to Edmonton, Alberta for McKenna,
In May of 1947, Al married Gabrielle May Grant, an ex-member of the
Womens Auxiliary Air Force (R-A-F-) Intelligence Section whom he had met
while he was serving in England.
He worked for the City of Hamilton as a clerk, then going into sales
with Parsons-Steiner and then on to his last job with Trans-Canada Air
Lines and Air Canada starting in December 1951 as a Passenger Agent and
ending in Public Relations when he retired November 1, 1985 after 33
years and 11 months employment.
Al had many interests and hobbies, such as photography which he combined
with his love and passion of aviation. He was always attending air
shows, important events, or historical aviation locations and had his
collection of cameras and lenses close at hand to capture on film as
much as he could.
It was because of this love of aviation that he, along with a few
others, started and encouraged membership in the Canadian Historical
Society in Toronto. He especially loved to interview some of the "Old-
timers" in aviation and his tapes of their escapades and heroic efforts
will always reflect his desire to let people know of their struggle to
fly.
Another hobby of his was his short wave radio. He loved to talk to
people often about what was going on in their area and to discuss
politics, aviation, the weather, etch. Al loved to read and had quite an
extensive library, not only pertaining to aviation, but on writing,
architecture, astronomy, politics and history in general. He also loved
music and loved to sit and listen to the classics or just plain old-
fashioned music.
He and Gay dreamed of retiring to their first house in British Columbia
which they did. Unfortunately, Gay passed away August 1988 and in April
of 1989, Al suffered a massive stroke and spent his remaining days at
Peace Portal Lodge in White Rock, British Columbia until his death May
9, 1993.
Al is greatly missed by the many people he touched during his lifetime
and his zest and enthusiasm for life's challenges should be an
inspiration for us all.
(printed with permission of his niece. VS)

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. Found on the internet.
A year long investigation of refueling procedures at Italy's Malpensa
airport has resulted in the arrest of 14 people suspected of skimming
off jet fuel.  The employees are charged with stealing up to 5,000
liters of fuel between 1994 and 1998, which was then sold as diesel or
heating fuel.

Looking for a stocking stuffer?
The Y2K edition of Abercrombie & Kent's annual Around-the-World By Private
Jet tour will take you on a glorious and luxurious 27-day jaunt aboard a
custom L-1011 to some of the most exotic locations on the planet,
including Bali, Zanzibar, Rio, and the African bush -- for only $52,000.

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. Terry's travel tips.
From the LHR newsletter -
The Travelodge at Vancouver Airport is offering an airline rate of
ca$47.00-57.00 until Jan 31st 2000.

Pos air fares are available on Virgin Atlantic out of LHR -
to Dec 9th      GBP109.00 LHR-Athens return.
Dec 10-Dec 24th GBP159.00 LHR-Athens return.
to Nov 20th     GBP329.00 LHR-Johannesburg return.
Dec 1 - 31      GBP549.00 LHR-Johannesburg return.
to Nov 30th     GBP474.00 LHR-Cape Town via J'burg Comair return.
Dec 1 - 31      GBP694.00 LHR-Cape Town via J'burg Comair return.
Fares per person include all taxes unless paid locally. These fares
apply if taken with accommodations else add GBP19.00.
Contact Lawson International in the UK for land tours and accommodations.
Tel 011-44-181-941-7200 from outside north America or 0181-941-7200.

When in the UK try a   trip to France with Hoverspeed fast ferries
with day trip from GBP59.00 for a car and up to 5 passengers. Also
accommodations available in Paris from GBP49.00 per person for a
2 night stay with breakfast included.
Abu Dhabi the U.A.E Capital - 3 nights accommodations -
The Gulf Hotel          GBP59.00
The Rotana Beach        GBP89.00
Al Jazira Beach Resort  GBP65.00
The Forte Grand         GBP109.00
Le Meridien             GBP89.00
The Radisson            GBP69.00
The Kempinski in Ajman  GBP42.00
All prices per person. Most hotels include free transfers and breakfast.
Contact H.A.Travel Services Ltd in the UK.
Tel 011-44-181-715-1322 from outside north America or 0181-715-1322

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. Smilie.

Frustrated by the New York TRACON controller's rapid-fire instructions,
the obviously Southern-born pilot replied, "Ahh, New York, y'all hear
how fast ah'm a-talking? Well, that's how fast ah'm a-listenin'."

From Brian O'Hare Retired AC YYZ...living in Arizona
I call an airline customer on nearly a daily basis.  His receptionist
asks for my phone number every time.  I explained to her that he knows me
and even has me on his speed dial.  She still insists on the phone number.
Exasperated, I told her "555-1212", she said "Thank Yew"  and connected me
to my party.  This worked well until my customer asked her to call me back
one day.  She informed me that the number I had given her was incorrect and
my secretary (the information operator) seemed confused.  To this day she
reaches me via 555-1212.............
Norm I.  Anchorage, AK

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