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Number 435   Date Dec 22nd, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995

Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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. Need to know.
Family Affaire Grid.
******* 2000 DOMESTIC FARE GRID ******
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ZONE         1-BC/AB  2-SK/MB  3-ON  4-QC  5-MARIT
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1-BC/AB         139  *  189  *  279  * 299  *  369 *
2-SK/MB         189  *  149  *  229  * 239  *  239 *
3-ON            279  *  229  *  149  * 149  *  199 *
4-QC            299  *  239  *  149  * 149  *  169 *
5-MARIT         369  *  239  *  199  * 169  *  139 *
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*EXCEPTION: TRAVEL BETWEEN YQT-YWG: CAD 159.00
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******* 2000 TRANSBORDER FARE GRID ******

US ZONES 
NORTH WEST US : PDX / SEA
SOUTH WEST US : DEN / LAS / LAX / PHX / SFO / SJC / SAN
NORTH MIDWEST : MCI / MKE / MSP / ORD / STL
SOUTH MIDWEST : HOU / MSY
NORTH EAST US : ABE / BDL / BOS / BWI / CLE / NYC / PIT / SYR
PHL / PVD / RIC / CMH / EWR / MDT / WAS / PWM
ROC
SOUTH EAST US : ATL / BNA / CLT / RDU
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ZONE            NW      SW     N MID   S MID   NE     SE
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1-BC/AB         139  *  189  *  319  * 269  *  319 *  339
2-SK/MB         199  *  269  *  239  * 269  *  239 *  259
3-ON            309  *  339  *  169  * 179  *  159 *  189
4-QC            319  *  359  *  179  * 189  *  169 *  199
5-MARIT         339  *  369  *  199  * 209  *  189 *  219
EXCEPTIONS
BC/AB TO SW EXCLUDES LAS/PHX/SJC
SK TO SW EXCLUDES LAS/PHX/SJC
MB TO SW EXCLUDES PHX/SJC
NOTE: SK/MB TO DEN IS VIA YEG OR YWG ONLY
AB/BC TO DEN IS VIA YEG ONLY.
FOR THE ABOVE EXCEPTIONS, contact the Winnipeg Call Centre or, if
outside North America your local reservations office.

******* 2000 SUN DESTINATIONS FARE GRID ******

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ZONE      1-BC/AB  2-SK/MB  3-ON   4-QC   5 -MARIT
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FLORIDA       379  *  379  * 239  *  239 *  329   *
BAHAMAS       404  *  404  * 264  *  264 *  354   *
BERMUDA       404  *  404  * 264  *  264 *  354   *
YHZ-BDA DIRECT  -      -      -       -     249
CARIBBEAN     599  *  599  * 379  *  379  * 479   *
HAWAII        374  *  374  * 484  *  484  * 584   *
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ZONE         NW      SW     N MID   S MID    NE   SE
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FLORIDA     379  *  379  *  239  *  239  *  239 * 239
BAHAMAS     404  *  404  *  264  *  264  *  264 * 264
BERMUDA     404  *  404  *  264  *  264  *  264 * 264
CARIBBEAN   599  *  599  *  379  *  379  *  379 * 379
HAWAII      374  *  374  *  484  *  484  *  484 * 484
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*** ROUTING IS PERMITTED VIA THE CLOSEST CANADIAN GATEWAY ***

******* 2000 EUROPE & TEL AVIV FARE GRID ******
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ZONE      1-BC/AB  2-SK/MB  3-ON   4-QC   5 -MARIT
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EUROPE        589  *  589  * 439  * 439   *  439   *
TEL AVIV      619  *  619  * 469  * 469   *  469   *

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ZONE         NW      SW     N MID   S MID    NE   SE
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EUROPE      589  *  589  *  439  *  439  *  439 * 439
TEL AVIV    619  *  619  *  469  *  469  *  469 * 469
EUROPE INCLUDES LH CODESHARE FLIGHTS YVR/YYZ-FRA
FLORIDA AND HAWAII ARE EXCLUDED FROM US ZONES.
Contact the Winnipeg Call Centre or, if outside North America,
your local reservations office.

******* 2000 ASIA FARE GRID ******
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ZONE      1-BC/AB  2-SK/MB  3-ON   4-QC   5 -MARIT
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SEOUL         759  *  759  * 859  * 859  *   969   *
OSAKA         759  *  759  * 859  * 859  *   969   *
HONG KONG     759  *  759  * 859  * 859  *   969   *
TAIPEI        759  *  759  * 859  * 859  *   969   *
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ZONE         NW      SW     N MID   S MID    NE   SE  EUROPE
-----------------------------------------------------------
SEOUL       759  *  759  *  859  *  859  *  859 * 859  * 1259
OSAKA       759  *  759  *  859  *  859  *  859 * 859  * 1259
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ZONE         NW      SW     N MID   S MID    NE   SE  EUROPE
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SEOUL       759  *  759  *  859  *  859  *  859 * 859  * 1259
OSAKA       759  *  759  *  859  *  859  *  859 * 859  * 1259
HONG KONG   759  *  759  *  859  *  859  *  859 * 859  * 1259
FLORIDA AND HAWAII ARE EXCLUDED FROM US ZONES.
Contact the Winnipeg Call Centre or, if outside North America,
your local reservations office.
(You may wish to copy this grid and update 'Your Travel Guide' - eds)

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. Saville Hambleton sends this message -
Subject: A Truly Merry Christmas
Hi to All Pionairs;
Well what a difference four months and 1.2 billion dollars can make
to your life.
The Air Canada Family and particularly the Pionairs have gone from
grave concern and uncertainty over that period of time, to today,
where....Air Canada is where it deserves to be.... and has earned the
right to be.... Canada's National Flag Carrier.
To those people who designed the Company's strategy during this period
our congratulations on a job truly well done.
To Sue Welscheid, A/Vice President Human Resources and Barb Walker,
her assistant, our thanks for keeping the Pionairs in constant touch
with new developments as we all progressed through this time.
Now that a successful conclusion is at hand, It is not trite to say our
lifestyle is preserved.
For our organization, which has a strange undefinable bond, other than
spending a lifetime working for a company who's prime purpose was to hurl
people through the atmosphere in an aluminum tube at hundreds of miles
per hour, it is time to move on to the next Millenium with a renewed
commitment to maintain that bond with Pionair friends and colleagues.
Barbara and I wish all Pionairs, and members of the Air Canada Family,
a well deserved and relaxed Merry Christmas and the universal
expectation that the New Year will bring peace and happiness to all.
Saville Hambleton, President Pionairs   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Like to know!
Statement issuede by Air Canada December 21, 1999   4.30 pm
Air Canada unveils plans for major service enhancements
Air Canada today unveiled initial plans for major
enhancements in air service for Canadi>ns. after reviewing
the combined networks and fleets of Air Canada and Canadi>n
Airlines, Air Canada has produced a plan that streamlines
schedules and reallocates excess capacity, resulting in
significant air service improvements for Canadi>ns in
domestic, transborder and international markets.

In particular, Air Canada and Canadi>n Airlines  revamped
network calls for the introduction of new non-stop service
between a number of cities across Canada, currently requiring
consumers to transfer at hub airports such as Toronto or
Montreal before arriving at their final destination.  the
planned new schedule will create new non-stop links and 
substantially reduce travel time for consumers and freight
forwarders.
Streamlining a combined Air Canada-Canadi>n network will
result in operational efficiencies that will be passed on to
consumers through more non-stop service to more communities
at competitive prices," Robert said
Domestic
Air Canada and Canadi>n Airlines will implement new optimal
schedules for daily flights on main domestic routes. changes
will target routes where there is substantial surplus
capacity, while continuing to provide conveniently timed
flights with the right aircraft size.
By streamlining schedules and reallocating excess capacity,
Air Canada will introduce non-stop service between
Montreal-Edmonton, Vancouver-Halifax and Toronto-Victoria
year-round, thereby bypassing hub airports and dramatically
reducing flying time for consumers. in addition, schedules
will be adjusted to offer hourly flights on Toronto-calgary
and Toronto-Vancouver routes.  consumers will also benefit
from increased flights on Montreal-Winnipeg, Montreal-Calgary
and Ottawa-Winnipeg routes, as well as year-round widebody
service on Montreal-Vancouver.
AirBC, Air Ontario, Air Nova and Canadi>n Regional Airlines
will similarly optimise their schedules to and from regional
points. communities served by Air Canada, Canadi>n or their
respective wholly owned subsidiaries will continue to be
served.
A number of under-utilised jet aircraft will be reallocated
to address the growth on transborder routes.
Transborder
Air Canada will continue to expand its transborder services,
consolidating its position as the airline of choice linking
Canada and theUnited States.  Air Canada plans to launch new
transborder routes including Montreal-Denver CO,
Toronto-Greensboro NC, Toronto-Ontario CA and Toronto-Orange
County CA (the latter two serving the Los Angeles area). in
addition, Air Canada will increase flights on a number of
transborder routes including Calgary-Chicago IL,
Ottawa-Washington DC National and Toronto-Las Vegas NV.
International
Canadi>n consumers will benefit from increased direct access
to major cities world-wide. Air Canada will launch daily
Toronto-Tokyo, Toronto-Hong Kong and Toronto-Mexico flights,
subject to obtaining required designation, traffic rights and
slots from appropriate authorities. in addition, Air Canada
will seek to use dormant authorities for routes including
Vancouver-Shanghai, Vancouver-Mexico City and Montreal-Milan
as well as expand service on routes such as Montreal-Rome.

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. From the email Newsletter issued by Duane Frerichs -
Christmas Message to Retirees
As we turn towards a new millennium, filled with promise and potential,
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for past contributions
and your ongoing support and dedication to our industry.
I wish you and your families a happy and healthy holiday season,
filled with all the warmth, hope and joy that make this time of year so
special.
Sincerely,
Captain Rob Giguere Vice President - Flight Operations Air Canada

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. Tom Grant sends this message -Subject: Season's Greetings
It has been a very active and progressive year for the Air Canada
Retired Employees' Website (A-Crew). And as the millennium approaches
we look forward to providing online Air Canada retirees with new services.
In particular a new Travel section. We hope to make this comprehensive
and timely - all retirees are invited to contribute.
An Internet Tips page is also planned to help those starting out on the
Internet as well as providing timely bulletins for regular users.
We wish you and your family a Very Merry Christmas and a Healthy
and Happy New Year.
Tom Grant  Editor Air Canada Retired Employees' Website
www.acfamily.net/acrew/

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. For the Viscount affectionados.
After several months in Malta, the two former British World Viscounts
G-AOHM and G-OPFI were both tested in late August prior to delivery in
Swaziland and re-registered 3D-OHM and 3D-PFI.

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. Help!
John Gallagher is looking for some help, here is his message -
I'm writing a novel and I wish to Email a few questions to a retired
CYYZ ramp supervisor regarding food, fuel, cargo, etc.,
John Gallagher  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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.  Fraser O'Shaughnessy has sent us his bio -
My time in Air Canada covered a span of 42 years but only resulted
in 22 years of continuous service.
1947 ---  48  Stores Issuer at Dorval Airport Stores working
for Joe Fogarty in a department run by Al Magnusson.
1965 --- 67  Worked for 18 months in Maintenance Engineering Aircraft
Systems for John Carruthers.
1967 --- 71  Returned to Air Canada for the last time in the Maint.
Eng. a/c Systems group.
1971 --- 74  Manager Cargo Logistics in the Cargo Sales and Service
Branch working for Frank Bogert under the direction of
John Eden, Vice President, Cargo Sales and Service.
1975 --- 89  Spent the rest of my time in the Properties and Facilities
Department as Senior Program Manager, Cargo,
Program Manager, Planning and Manager Construction.
During this period spent three months in Sri Lanka on
loan to Canac Consulting (AC & CN) working on an airport
improvement program for the airport at Colombo. I was
Program Manager  for the building of Place Air Canada.
1983 --- 87  Still in P & E Branch I was Manager, Building Services,
for the six AC floors in PAC. As I said above the
last two years I was Manager Construction, for all AC
projects.
1989 --- 91  Manager then Director of Facilities helping to construct,
forming the maintenance team, and managing the team for
six months after opening for Lockheed Air Terminals.
1996 ---     Today I am three quarters "retired"
Fraser O'Shaughnessy <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Terry's travel tips.
South Africa -
Dale Court Guest House, Exhibition Rd, Green Point, Cape Town
5 minutes from Victoria & Alfred Waterfront,
1 mile from City centre. All rooms en-suite.
Single room SAR290 per night B&B Double room SAR350 per night B&B
Family room SAR425 per night B&B (Rates per room, not per person)
Tel: 00-2721-4398774 Fax: 00-2721-4345597
Somerset West, self-catering house on Erinvale Golf Estate,
3 twin bedroom all en-suite sleeps 6. Fully equipped,
pool, private garden, central to beaches
from SAR400 to SAR800 per day.
Tel: 00-2721-8511169 email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Blue Marlin Hotel, PO Box 24, Scottburgh, 4160, South Africa
120 en-suite rooms on beach with TV & pool.
30 mins south od Durban. Airport pickup can be arranged.
Rates for min 7 nights sharing SAR140 pp per day.
Tel: 00-2739-9783361 fax: 00-2739-9760971
Somerset West, Strand, Cape Town, new luxury 4th floor beach front
apartment on golf estate. Sleeps 4. UKP50 per apt/night.
Tel/Fax: 00-2711-8070432 email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Lagoon Lodge Guest House, Cape Town, Thatched cottage B&B set in large
grounds with views of Table Mountain. En-suite and
heated pool. GBP23 - GBP28 pp per night
less 10% for airline staff.
Tel/Fax: 00-2721-522691
England -
Stoke Lodge Hotel, Stoke Fleming, Dartmouth, Devon privately owned,
sea & village views, indoor and outdoor pool, sauna,
jacuzzi, tennis, 24 ensuite bedrooms.
Tel: 44-1803-770523
Conigre Farm Hotel, Melksham, Wiltshire 17th century 8 en-suite rooms
close to Bath, Longleat, Lacock.
Any two nights GBP155 or 3 nights GBP210 per couple D/B/B
Tel: 44-1225-702229
Portugal -
Hotel Miramonte, 90 rooms en-suite, 1 km from beach, 9km from Sintra,
near Cascais, Estoril and Lisbon.
Tel:00-351-1-928-8200 Fax:00-351-1-929-1480
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World Airlines Clubs Association (WACA)
For WACA or Interline members only.
Montreal Interline Club hosting their 40th anniversary with a
Sugaring-off  March 23 - 26th 2000
Priced at ca$295.00 pp dbl includes:
Transfers to/from Dorval Airport, 3 nights Hotel du Fort,
1 welcome cocktail, 3 continental breakfast,
2 afternoon and 2 evening  hospitality suites,
1 dinner & entertainment at Festin du Gouveneur,
1 city tour including a smoked meat lunch,
1 Quebecoise feast at the l'Oree du Bois plus music.
Space is limited to 40 persons. Reservations on a first come basis.
DEADLINE: February 20th 2000

Inter Airline Club, Basle hosting the
Swiss Winterbreak  March 26th - April 1st, 2000
Priced at chf780 pp, approx us$/Euro 550 includes:
Buffet breakfast and dinner.
4 day ski pass us$80 extra.
On March 26th from Zurich Airport customs follow signs to
Bahn Railway meet at 15:00 latest at Schineblitz Snack Bar for
departure to Brunnen/Morschach overlooking Lake Lucerne.
DEADLINE: February 18th 2000

Contact WACA email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or your local interline club.

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. Smilie from Brian O'Hare Retired AC YYZ...living in Arizona
Maximum runway length?
This (reportedly) really happened at a nontowered airport in Northern
California.  The pilot of a Cessna 180 on amphibious floats, en route
from Kentucky to Alaska, called for an airport advisory, and the Unicom
operator issued the following:
"Wind calm.  No reported traffic.  Use runway 32 or 14, your choice."
The 180 pilot replied, "Which runway is longer?"

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