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( For retirees of the new Air Canada family)

Number 680,  Apr 13th,  2002. We first published in October 1995.
Circulation: 2300+

Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker

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. Recently added to our readership -
Gordon Davis retired Jul 01/2001 after 33 years having worked in
Edmonton/Winnipeg and Ottawa. Still pretty active ,I coach junior hockey ,
coach at hockey schools in summer and try get in a bit of travel when we can,
married to same lady for 34 yrs 2 grown children not in airline business.
My name is Dennis Dreger I resigned from AirCanada in 1999 after 20 wonderful
Bob Krompass retired from the Air Canada cargo dept in Toronto April 30, 1989
as a Customer Service Agent.
(John) Douglas Hanna, retired October 1,2001 with 32 years service. Served all
my time in Toronto.

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. News from the districts.
From the London, England monthly newsletter -
Upcoming planned events -
June 10th  -  UK Pionairs AGM, Heathrow Park Hotel.
June 24th  -  Flight & Walk Evening, London
Sept 17/18th - Annual North American Trip - Halifax, Nova Scotia
November - Cross channel trip
Dec  1st - UK Pionairs Christmas Lunch
The Flight & Walk evening on June 24th will take a 'flight' on the British
London Eye, a walk across the new Millenium Bridge. Cost gbp12.00 pp

Gord Dalziel sends this report -
Niagara Peninsula Coffee Group held its second Monthly meeting on April 2nd,
with 45 attendees.
After Gord Dalziel opened the meeting and introduced Jim Morgan the new
Chairperson, Jim than introduced his committee to the group. Each gave a short
summary of
their Airline backgrounds.
An exchange of general information which is available to many, but not to those
without a computer was shared. Of the Questions which were raised, between Irv
Christjanson, the Assistant Director of the Central District Pionairs, and Gord
Dalziel all were answered,
to the best of our ability.
Three Lucky Draws were held, and these were won by Jeanine Demay, Marion
Archambeau and Maria Jurtschat, while the 50 / 50 Draw was won by Bill Penston.

The social committee are making plans for a Grand River Cruise in September,
while some interest was raised in a 9 hole golf day.
A spokesperson was on hand to give an update on the World Youth Day, coming to
Toronto in mid July.
The next meetings are planned for May 7th and June 4th.
Any Retiree visitors in the area are welcome to join these meetings.
Contact should be with Jim Morgan, 905-788-2080 or via E--Mail
with Colin Bailey at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Don Palmer sends us this information -
Subject: Stranraer mentioned in recent NetLetter.
Recent mention of the Stranraer reminds me of a lot of fun. I flew Strannie
CF-BYM in 1954 with QCA, as copilot, with Captains Art Jung, and Bill May. (It
might have been beneath Captain Sheldon Luck's dignity -- the Strannie, that
is, not me.)
What made the Strannie so much fun was the replacement of the Bristol
"Peggies" with Wright 1175s and Curtiss electric props. This gave the aircraft
a very startling takeoff performance. It could get off the water fully loaded
at 22,000lbs, in a light chop and a light wind, in seven seconds. It climbed at
130mph and cruised at 120, which was probably near terminal velocity as well.
Hmmmm. I wonder about this standing in the nose and saluting during flight.
The nose compartment of the Strannie as well as the Canso was always full of
passenger baggage and express items, which would have made it difficult to get
from the
cockpit to the forward hatch to salute. (In a 120 mph wind?) In the Canso, when
docking or coming up to a buoy, the copilot went through the cockpit overhead
hatch, over the windshield and onto the bow with the right prop ticking away
next to his ear during egress -- carefully. Never did that on the Strannie, as
the purser took care of docking, from the rear hatches, and with the aid of
drogues.On the Canso, we threw the gear out, when afloat, to facilitate
On the Stranraer, throttles were outboard of each pilot's seat and operated
up and down, not fore and aft. Nickname of the Strannie was the whistling
s-house, because when aft in the can, all you could hear was the wind whistling
through the stainless steel bracing wires. The Stranraer, incidentally, was
designed by R.J.Mitchell of Spitfire fame. Gone are the days.
Don Palmer

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. Curling Item for Netletter
The Saint-Pierre Curling Club (St. Pierre and Miquelon, just off the south
coast of Newfoundland) is hosting their 7th Annual International Bonspiel May
10 - 12, 2002. Entry fee is $100 CDN, includes curling (3 games guaranteed),
prizes and a Saturday night dinner dance (including wine and drinks!) that is
the best of all curling club parties.
Tom Sayer and I and our wives played in the last three bonspiels, had a great
time. Hospitality was fantastic, and curling was great. A delightful little
island, unique in its own way, part of France right on our doorstep.
Bus ferry and hotel packages are available from St. Johns, Newfoundland.
Flights into St. Pierre from Halifax or St. Johns by Air St. Pierre (accepted
AC passes last year, have not checked for 2002).
Deadline for entries in the bonspiel is 04 May 2002. Teams can be any mixture
of male and female, level of competition is al levels from beginner to expert,
main emphasis is FUN.
For further details and entry contact:
Patrick Boez (French speaking) phone 011 508 41 44 23; fax 011 508 41 57 71 OR
Francisca Arozamena (English speaking) phone 011 508 41 46 09: fax 011 508 41
92 18
A great opportunity to combine a spring vacation with the last 'spiel for the
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. From Bob Messmer 
Almost 150 years. ago, President Lincoln found it necessary to hire a
private investigator - Alan Pinkerton - for protection. That was the
beginning of the Secret Service.              
Since that time federal police authority has grown to a large number
of multi-letter agencies - FBI, CIA, INS, IRS, DEA, BATF, etc. Now comes
the "Federal Air Transportation Airport Security Service." Can't you
see them now, these highly trained men and women in their black outfits
with their initials in large white letters across their backs: "FATASS."
I feel safer already.

" ' "
. Subject: B737 Seat!
N. Dowsley sent this -
Regards the story about the seat mishap in the Letter #678.If Murry Wallace
is on your mailing list I'm sure he can top that one with something similar
that took place on a Bristol Freighter. N.Dowsley.
And Murray obliged us -
Good to hear from you and Neil: Away back in the 1950's TCA operated a Fleet
(3 ????) of Bristol Freighters. Amongst it's many peculiarities was the fact
that the flight deck was above the main cabin, and had to be accessed up a
vertical ladder which ended up behind the F/O's seat. The tracks for the seat
ended up behind the F/O, and the net result was that once both pilots were up
there, you had to close the hatch. If you forgot to do this, about halfway
through the flight, invariably the F/O would have to go to the can, pushed his
seat back, and disappeared, seat and all down the hatch. He then spent the rest
of the flight (after going to the can) pushing the heavy seat up the hatch and
trying to get it back on the tracks brfore landing.

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. May Day.
Correction to the email given in NetLetter nr 679 - with apologies
Subject: House in France
Would anyone know of a house in the south of France one can rent for about a
month in the summer of 2003, it need not be on the ocean and a small village
would be
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. John Cooke sends this information -
Regarding Sheila Moscoe's explanation of Air Canada Vacations and
plussing, I do not believe that her wording is entirely correct. Not all
ACV packages total the entire capacity of the aircraft and, as such,
ACV only maintains a block (or a pseudo-codeshare?) on AC scheduled
flights. I am currently booked with ACV to fly Toronto-Orlando return on
scheduled AC912/AC913. We booked revenue space (15% employee
discount) in order to a) obtain confirmed seats, b) get advance seat
selection, and c) avoid Florida blackouts for ID80s.
You receive a confirmation number from ACV (which is not a Passenger
Name Record locator). If you call RES instead of ACV, they can only find
your data by asking you for FLIGHT/CLASS/DATE/NAMES. Of course,
if the ACV flight is also the scheduled AC flight, you can also query the
flight load (but why bother as you hold confirmed seats!!). However, you
can list yourself on AC912/AC913 as a C2Y10, travel, and not even be
aware that there is a block of ACV passengers onboard!
In other words, there are ACV flights and there are ACV Flights. Back in
my C&SS days, this was either a block/group booking, or in the case of
the total aircraft, a charter flight operation. No doubt it is the latter type
operation where ACV employees can bypass contingent registration?

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. Smilie.
More transmissions from the O'Hare tower -
"Expect lower at the end of this transmission."

"Citation 123, if you quit calling me center, I'll quit
calling you twin

"About three miles ahead you've got traffic 12 o'clock,
five miles."

"If you hear me, traffic no longer a factor."

"You got him on TCAS? Great. When you're seven in trail,
normal speed and call Chicago Center on 120.12."

"I am way too busy for anybody to cancel on me."

"You got any more smart remarks, we can be doing this over
Bend ... go ahead."

"You're gonna have to key the mike. I can't see you when
you nod
your head."

"It's too late for Louisville. We're going back to

"Put your compass on 'E' and get out of my airspace."

"Don't anybody maintain anything.

"Caution wake turbulence you're following a heavy 12
o'clock, three
... no, let's make it five miles."

"Climb like you're life depends on it ... because it

"If you want more room Captain, push your seat back."

"For radar identification throw your jumpseat rider out
the window."

"Air Force one, I told you to expedite."

"Listen up gentlemen, or something's gonna happen that
none of us
wants to see. Besides that, you're (tickin') me off!"

"Leave five on the glide, have a nice ride, tower inside,
nine .... see ya!"

"Japan Air Ten Heavy, how 'bout a radio check?"
(Response -"Rogah, switching!")

"Approach, how far from the airport are we in minutes?"
"N923, the faster you go, the quicker you'll get here."

"American Two-Twenty, Eneey, meeny, miney, moe, how do you
hear my radio?"

"Air Wisconsin Three-Thirty-Five, caution wake turbulence,
there is
an Air Wisconsin Three-Forty-Five on the frequency."

"I don't mind altitude separation as long as they're not
on top of
each other."

"We were told Rwy 9...we'll take out the 14R approach
"Captain you got sixty miles to take it out...have a

"The traffic at nine o'clock's gonna do a little Linda
Ronstadt on
"Linda Ronstadt? What's that?"
"Well, sir, they're gonna 'Blue Bayou'."

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