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number 378   date June 18th, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995


. Need to know.
AirBC will discontinue service to Prince Rupert, BC effective July.

Following message from Lina Kwoon - Industry Travel -
I will be away on a course and will return on Monday, June 21st.
If you require immediate assistance, please forward your queries to the
following Industry Travel staff:

Caroline Tune      CIC*80/81 and OAL agreements
Interpretation of pass policy
Irene Thoma-Doré   PNR authorizations
Pascale Tams       CHIP updates
Travel cards for retirees/widows/ers
Leona Fato         ID/Travel cards for active employees
PNR auth for business travel on AC
Misuse of travel privileges
Isabelle Paré      Miscellaneous queries
Thank you for your cooperation.
Linda Kwoon This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Lionel Musgrove is now at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. News from the districts.
From the Pionairs USA Newsletter June 1999 -
During the National AGM in Vancouver, the USA Pionairs held their
semi-annual meeting on Apr 26th while attending the AGM -
39 Pionairs and spouses were in attendance, guest speakers were
Olie & Mary Moore, President & Secretary National Pionairs
Saville & Barbara Hambleton - Incoming National President Pionairs
Doug Lovat, Director Pension Rep. Air Canada
Leo Goulet, Pionairs Pension rep to Air Canada
Vicky Benoit, Manager Industry Travel, Air Canada
Linda Kwoon, Industry Travel, Air Canada
Meeting was chaired by Ian McMurray, Director Pionairs USA
Peter Pembleton was happy to report that the Air Canada Pension Plan (USA)
was in excellent shape valued at US$159m as at Dec 1997 the last report
approved by Air Canada management, and increase of 10.5% over 1996.
Doug Lovat apologised for the delay in issuing the Health Plan (USA)
booklet and the Travel Guide to USA Pionairs, but hopes to have the
problem resolved by mid summer, and that there will be no delay with
direct deposits of pension cheques as a result of any Y2K problems.
Olie Moore indicated that one of his concerns was that, on an annual
basis there are more members leaving the (AGM) Pionairs than are joining.
One suggestion to be considered is to arrange for a separate annual
meeting for some of the smaller and more isolated districts.
A motion by the nominating committee to elect Art Thrun as the new Director
was unanimously carried.
Art Thrun thanked the group and announced that the fall meeting of the
Pionairs USA will be held in Chicago during October, possibly the third
week end for a stay of 2 nights at an airport hotel.

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. Capt. Alan MacLeod sends this information on CF-TCC
TCA's (Trans Canada Air Lines) Lockheed Electra CF-TCC, better know now
across the country as "Tango Tango Charlie", is one of three Electras
flying in the world to-day. It was the 5th Electra to be in the service
of T.C.A.. The Manufacture's serial number/name plate shows it was
manufactured on October 16th, 1937. Tango Charlie Charlie will be 62
years old this October.
TCC flew for TCA until late 1939. It then entered service with the RCAF
to help defend the embattled skies of Canada. In 1941 it was returned to
TCA for a short time. When TCA expanded service to the Maritimes, it
(TCA) acquired Canadian Airways there in Moncton. Part of the agreement
was for TCA to provide service to Prince Edward Island, as Canadian
Airways had been doing, until a local man started Maritime Central
Airways.  From Feb. to Dec. 1941, TCC and TCA (the 3rd Electra owned by
TCA) operated to Prince Edward Island.
A lot of people know how the aircraft was located in Texas and then
purchased in 1984 and rebuilt, in Winnipeg, for the 50th anniversary of
Air Canada.  Should you get an opportunity to visit the aircraft this
summer, have a look at the rear bulkhead, just to the right of the
entrance door as you enter the aircraft. There is a plaque riveted there
with the names of the Maintenance staff who were involved in the
Tango Charlie Charlie's primary mission these days is to fly in support
of sick and terminally ill children. This is done through the DREAMS
TAKE FLIGHT program within Air Canada's employee ranks. The aircraft is
maintained by Air Canada and given to the employee group for the use
help raise funds for the program. The program is voluntary and stretches
from Newfoundland to British Columbia. The Lockheed is one of the more
popular methods of helping to raise funds.
The aircraft is being flown by 5 pilots. Capt. Ken Patry, CYYZ; Capt.
Ted Dodds, CYYZ; Capt. Gerry Norberg, CYWG; Capt. Harvey Reid, CYUL and
Capt. Alan MacLeod, CYUL.
A summary of this summer's schedule follows:
June 29th TCC visits Wiarton for one day, then returns to Montreal.
July 3rd and 4th. Flying from Dorval for the STARLIGHT FOUNDATION in
support of the Montreal Sick Children's Hospital. Organized by pilot's
crew scheduling office.
July 9th TCC heads East to Moncton, Charlottetown, Halifax, Fredericton
and St. John. All in support of DREAMS.
Enroute to Winnipeg for a rest and some tender lovin' care by
Maintenance, it will stop in Collingwood on the 24th of July, Airport
Day there. This in support of the Collingwood Clippers Children's swim
From mid August TCC goes to Victoria  to participate in the 60th
anniversary celebrations of the Victoria Airport. Then works it's way
back through Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton and finally to Winnipeg, for a
well deserved rest,  and to its winter home in the Western Canadian
Aviation Museum. Incidentally the museum is located on the airport and
is well worthwhile visiting if you are in Winnipeg. Here TCC spends the
winters soldiering on and letting people  see what flying was like 60
years ago.
Whew! Just typing that schedule made me tired. Imagine how Tango Charlie
Charlie must feel !
We recently had Denis Brown for a flight, in support of DREAMS, in
Montreal. As Denis said when he got off" that was the best aircraft ride
I ever had".
In flying the aircraft for the past 6 years now I have never had a
disappointed passenger get off. Even those who feel a little
woozy and look a little green afterwords still say they love it.
If the aircraft is in your town try to go and see it. It is well
A tip of the hat to AIR CANADA'S  management and all it's supporting
staff for providing and  maintaining  the aircraft for the employees.
Regards  Capt. Alan MacLeod.

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. Oh those good old da(z)e - a story by George Brien.
Subject: long away around
Here's one of the trips that I remember well (but not fondly)
Adventures in pass travel
Sometimes a short  trip could get pretty complicated  when plussing back
in the sixties.  A planned trip from  Yarmouth to Saint John NB, a short
distance 90 miles across the Bay of Fundy on a Viscount, seemed like a great
trip for myself, wife and 3 small children.
Since the wx (weather) was "a typical maritime day"  as the flight
dispatchers used to say, which meant that limits were marginal at most
terminals, the scheduled flight BOS/YQI/YSJ  had to overfly. A later flight
from BOS to YQI did land but the return load YQI/BOS had already been bussed
up to our bad wx alternative at Greenwood  NS (about 120miles east).
The  flight would deplane the offload and on to YZX and back to BOS...
As the "kids" were all dressed up with no place to go, we decided to fly
to YZX, then on to BOS and then back on the BOS/YSJ/YHZ flight. Arrival in
BOS, we learned that by this time, the YSJ wx was below limits and the flight
would be going direct to YHZ.
Kids and wife were getting  a little restless  by now so staying overnight
in BOS was  agreed as a  good option.  The Parker House on the Boston Common
TCA discount $12.75 per nite.
Next afternoon, back to Logan Airport for the flight into YSJ and at last we
were on a plane going in the right direction  -- ooops, about 30mins out of
YSJ- "This is your Capt speaking- the WX in YSJ  is below landing limits and
we will be proceeding to YFC (Fredericton) 60 miles north  of YSJ.  Bus
transportation will be provided back to YSJ - thank you for flying  TCA".
By 9 pm  a tired group at last  "landed" by bus in foggy downtown YSJ.
Altho I try to forget this trip, my kids still remind me of that great 30 min
trip that took in four airports, two countries,  a fun time in Boston plus
a bus ride - but we were all younger then.
George Brien  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(Great story George - anyone else have some 'fun' plussing stories - eds)

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. For the Russian SST affectionadoes!
To my knowledge, the following Tu-144 exist or existed until recent times:
CCCP-77106: On display at museum in Moskau Monino
CCCP-77108: On display at museum in Samara Smys(lenska?) airport.
CCCP-?????: On display at Ulyanovsk Aviation Museum
CCCP-77112: Stored with Tupolev at Moscow Zhukovsky Airport
CCCP-77115: Stored with Tupolev at Moscow Zhukovsky Airport
(all in full Aeroflot colors).
RA-77114: Current with Tupolev/Boeing/NASA joint research project, based
CCCP-77113 which was also stored for many years at Zhukovsky (a.k.a.
Ramenskoye Test Base) has been broken up shortly before the MosAero
Show of 1997, with its tail lying on its side and the centerbox with
wings and main landing gears still attached present in front of
Tupolev's hangar in August 1997.
There are two known crashes of Tu-144s.
The first one appeared during a presentation of the airliner at the
Paris Air Show in 1973 involving CCCP-77102.
On May 23, 1978, a second crash occurred - following an onboard fire on
a test flight of CCCP-77111 - which led to the retirement of the
The last scheduled flight is reported to have taken place
on June 1, 1978.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Your co-pilot recently used Family Affaire for his two grandsons, one 12
and the other 10 years old, and found out the following -
There is a $40 charge for unaccompanied minors per family, however, in
my case, the 12 year is considered an aduly, so the $40 charge does not
The tickets are valid for 60 days, not 30 as in the Travel Booklet.
Photo ID is not required as children do not usually have such
You may wish to update your Travel Booklet accordingly.

Duane Frerichs producer of the RAPCAN newsletter sends this -
Subject:  Retired Air Canada Employee Discount
'........  Park'N Fly will offer a 25% discount off regular rates to Air
Canada retired employees upon presentation of Air Canada identification
effective June 1. This offer is valid at all Toronto locations.'
Duane also states -
I have been advised that Park N'Fly in Calgary offer a discount if you
present them with your Air Canada or Connector boarding pass when paying.
Economy pass gets 20% discount and Executive pass 50%.

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. Smilie from the ACRA NEWS issued by Alan Rust -
I Can't Get Out!
An airline captain was breaking in a very pretty new blonde stewardess.
The route they were flying had a stay-over in another city. Upon their
arrival the captain showed the stewardess the best place for airline
personnel to eat, shop and stay overnight.
The next morning as the pilot was preparing the crew for the day's route,
he noticed the new stewardess was missing. He knew which room she
was in at the hotel and called her up wondering what happened to her.
She answered the phone, crying, and said she couldn't get out of her room.
"You can't get out of your room?" the captain asked, "Why not?"
The stewardess replied, "There are only three doors in here," she sobbed,
"one is the bathroom, one is the closet, and one has a sign on it that says
'Do Not Disturb'!"

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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