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Mailing of this "NetLetter" is courtesy of Alan Rust
administrator of the "AC Family Network" at:

number  385 July 10, 1999  BYN 1st Published in October 1995



RALPH HETHERINGTON, retired Millwright, Air Canada, W.W.II
Veteran, passed away on Friday, July 9th, 1999 at Niagara-on-
the-Lake Hospital. Visitation will be held on Tuesday, July
13th, 1999 at 1 p.m. and funeral service will be held at 3
p.m. at the W. John Thomas Funeral Home, 244 Victoria St. E.
(Hwy. 89), Alliston, Ontario (705) 435-5101. Refreshments
will follow at the Alliston Royal Canadian Legion.
Donations, in lieu of flowers, may be made to the Niagara-on-
the-Lake Hospital - Primary Care Unit.

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is the E-mail address for George M. Agnew
who lives in Richmond BC He was a Customer Service
Coordinator,Cargo and is a Pionair.

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is the E-mail address for Dick Sellors
who lives in Saint John, NB formerly District Sales Manager
at Moncton.


Queries from our readers:

From: "Irvine Christjanson" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: A Question re Family Affair
In the travel guide it states that family affair tickets
(once purchased) are not refundable. At our last retirees
meeting (Burloak Koffee Klatch) we heard a situations where
a number of family affair holders were "threatened" at the
airport that they maybe denied boarding due to an oversale
condition on the flight. This we can understand but wonder
where in the priority list do family affair fares stand.
This is more confusing when, again, in the Travel Guide it
stipulates that family affair tickets are " not refundable".
What if the situation is that someone travelling with family
affair is doing go for a particular event, on a once only
particular date ( e.g., wedding, funeral) when if they are
denied boarding and the ticket is not refundable. I look
forward to a reply from you ( as always) so that I can make
a statement on our July meeting to be held on July 21st. God
bless you, and keep up the terrific work. Irv Christjanson

Action taken:

To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., cc Don Demeza Irv Chrisjanson
From: Terry Baker <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: family affaire
Linda Kwoon we understand is on vacation, and she gives your
name a the person who handle, amongst other items,
interpretation of pass policy and perhaps this falls into
your domain - We have received the following information and
we would welcome your response please so that we can pass
the information along to our retirees - (text sent as
mentioned above)

Heres a unofficial reply from: Don and June Demeza
<This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: RE: family affaire
- the ability of a group discussion to come up with a "one
of" situation never ceases to amaze me.
I don't know what the official answer will be but based on
the fact that special situations are fairly handled - that
has always been my experience - here's what I think would
Family Affaire are revenue and like any other revenue could
be denied boarding - have their flight cancelled etc. etc.
just like any other revenue passenger.
Those so handled are usually protected on the next flight
but it all that failed then I have no doubt that a refund
would be made on an exception basis. Don Demeza


From: Alan MacLeod <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Tango Charlie Charlie flew 9 flight legs in support of
Starlight Foundation, from Dorval, over the July 3rd and 4th
weekend. All seats were full, and some "babes in arms" on a
few flights. Donations made to STARLIGHT, who support the
Montreal Sick Children's Hospital, totaled in excess of
$9,000.00. Congratulations to Lois Cadmen and Glen Day, of
the Pilot's Crew Scheduling office, who spearheaded this
operation. A tip of the hat to all the volunteers who helped
in Montreal..

The members of the town of Kirkland band entertained all
present. I even had a chance to direct the band between
flights. When I did, all they played was
"Happy Birthday To You. Wonder why !!!

Here's a trivia question.
About Lockheed Tango Charlie Charlie. Some of your retirees
should be able to respond to this:
If you get to see the aircraft when it visits your town, or
if you have a picture of it , look at either of the vertical
fins. Each fin has the number "25" painted on it.
T.C.A did not have twenty five Electras.

Q1.How many of you out there know what the significance of
"25" meant ??

Similarly if you happen to be in the National Aviation
Museum, in Ottawa, you will see CF-TCA there.
It has number "23" painted on the fins.

Q2. What is the significance of these numbers??

Answer later date, unless somebody sends it in to "BETWEEN
YOURSELVES - NetLetter" Norberg ?? Martin?? Rust?? Baker??
(this is not a competition to see who is first with the
answer, but how many of you can come up with the answer
before its published in the

The schedule for the month of July is as follows:
TCC flys Montreal to Moncton on the 8th and will be there
the 9th and 10th.
TCC flys on the evening of the 10th to Charlottetown, and
will fly there on the 11th
In both Moncton and Charlottetown it will fly for DREAMS
from the main terminal building--like a regular flight !
TCC will be in Halifax on the 16th,17th and 18th.
Flying will be from the Air Canada hanger, for DREAMS.
TCC will be in Fredericton on the 20th,
flying from the terminal building.
TCC will be in St.John on the 21st and 22nd.
TCC will fly to Collingwood on the evening of 22nd and 
23rd. It will then fly on the 24th from Collingwood, in
support of the Collingwood Clippers Children's' Swim Team.

Come out and see the aircraft.

The aircraft will then fly to Winnipeg for maintenance and a

Pilots flying Moncton, Charlottetown Capt. Al.MacLeod &
Capt. Harvey Reid.
In Halifax Capt. Ken Patry and Capt. Alan MacLeod
In Fredericton and St. John Capt. Ted Dodds and Capt. Alan
To Collingwood and on to Winnipeg Capt. Gerry Norberg and
Capt. Ted Dodds.
More updates from Atlantic Canada. Alan MacLeod


From: "Ellie Park" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Your efforts on our behalf are very much appreciated by
those of us who are sent copies out this way; as are the
those of Vesta Stevenson and Terry Baker, the Captain and Co-
pilot ( which should be First Officer) of Between Yourselves
Newsletter. Alan Rust also needs an honourable mention.
Perhaps that should read .. a Mention In Dispatches. At any
rate I certainly am grateful to all of you for keeping us up-
to-date on the happenings in and around the Airlines and
those of us who have retired. Stay with it. Many thanks.


From the Internet.
LONDON, England - A British oil worker who refused to switch
off his mobile phone on a plane was convicted Wednesday of
endangering an international flight. Prosecutors said Neil
Whitehouse repeatedly ignored the cabin crew's requests to
turn off his phone while on a British Airways flight from
Madrid to Manchester, northern England, in September. ``It
cannot be underestimated the alarm and concern your arrogant
conduct must have caused the 91 passengers and crew on this
Boeing 737,'' Judge Anthony Ensor said. ``I believe that
because of the seriousness of your conduct, a prison
sentence must follow.'' Prosecution witnesses said aircraft
navigational systems could have been affected by radio waves
from Whitehouse's phone, even though no calls were made
during the flight. Sentencing was pending. British Airways
said it was ``delighted'' with the decision.


Airlines Say They're Ready for Y2K (One of two parts.)
WASHINGTON (USA) - U.S. and Canadian airlines say they are
95 percent finished with their Year 2000 computer repairs
and will be all done by summer's end.
The Federal Aviation Administration also said Thursday that,
despite a late start, all of its air traffic control
computers had been repaired and tested by the agency's own
June 30 deadline. A public declaration of success will come
later this month after an inspection by government auditors
and an outside consultant. The news put the focus on two
other areas of the airline industry that have yet to give a
clear picture of their readiness: airports - both domestic
and abroad - and foreign air carriers. Information from
those sources is trickling in, but it may be months before
it gets out to the public. The International Civil Aviation
Organization, a U.N.-based group, has been collecting
airport and airline preparedness data from foreign
The State Department, which has access to the data, may wait
until this fall before warning U.S. travelers about areas of
the world they should avoid at the new year, when some
computers may not be able to recognize the date 2000.
Meanwhile, the International Air Transport Association,
which represents 265 international airlines, has been
surveying its members. But the group's findings will remain
private in an effort to promote full disclosure by the
carriers. Passengers may not know which foreign airlines are
having problems until later this year, when they start
canceling flights around the New Year's holiday.contd next


Terry's Travel tips.
Mexico -
On July 1st, visitors travelling to Mexico via car, air or
bus will be required to pay a us$15.00 entry fee. For
airline passengers, the fee is in addition to the us$18.00
airport departure tax and will be added to your ticket.
Visitors arriving by road will pay the fee at the interior
check point 16 miles from the US border. Travellers staying
in border cities, such as Tijuana, will not be charged the

Dominion Republic - There is a us$10.00 entry fee upon
arrival in the country. Visitors must purchase a tourist
card. There is also a us$10.00 departure tax.



A retired pilot's Last Will and Testament:
Being of sound mind, I spent all my money.

Of course I'm against sin; I'm against anything that I'm too old to 

ANOTHER SMILIE     From: Jack Morgan
As the crowded airline is about to take off, the peace is
shattered by a five year old boy who picks that moment to
throw a wild temper tantrum. No matter what his frustrated,
embarrassed mother does to try to calm him down, the boy
continues to scream furiously and kick the seats around him.

Suddenly, from the rear of the plane, an elderly man in the
uniform of an Air Force General is seen slowly walking
forward up the aisle. Stopping the flustered mother with an
upraised hand, the white-haired, courtly, soft- spoken
General leans down and, motioning toward his chest, whispers
something into the boy's ear.

Instantly, the boy calms down, gently takes his mother's
hand, and quietly fastens his seat belt.

All the other passengers burst into spontaneous applause. As
the General slowly makes his way back to his seat, one of
the cabin attendants touches his sleeve.

"Excuse me, General," she asks quietly, "but could I ask you
what magic words you used on that little boy?"
The old man smiles serenely and gently confides, "I showed
him my pilot's wings, service stars, and battle ribbons, and
explained that they entitle me to throw one passenger out
the plane door, on any flight I choose."


.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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